Defensive/counter grappling vs being the first to act

Tim's Discussion Board: Jiu Jitsu/Grappling/Ground Fighting : Defensive/counter grappling vs being the first to act

   By robert on Saturday, October 12, 2013 - 02:47 pm: Edit Post

I recommend getting Jigoro Kanos book. Has throws, and counters. Also explains important concepts like "front left corner" "back right corner" etc. Which is the direction in which the throw is applied.


   By Timber on Saturday, October 12, 2013 - 06:21 pm: Edit Post

There are no sacrifice throws in Shuai jiao. You could lose points if you attempt one after getting warned by the ref.

I haven't seen Shuai jiao people utilize the single and double leg takedowns except when desperate or losing. Only the guys who wrestled before training in sj regularly go for the single and double.

I do need a better game plan.


   By Jake Burroughs on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 09:42 am: Edit Post

Actually there are sac throws in SC, but they took them out many moons ago because they were "too dangerous"

I encourage you to search outside the Shuai in america as it mostly comes from one school of thought. Many of the Beijing stylists attack single and doubles like they are going out of style!


   By Timber on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 03:47 pm: Edit Post

Regardless of when they were took out they aren't allowed in competition which determines a lot of what is taught in sport combat arts. It's like when people say, "Judo used to have striking." Sport judo doesn't.

There is a beijing guy that I know of.

We do train single and double takedowns occasionally but not at the expense of the other throwing groups.


   By Jake Burroughs on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 01:39 am: Edit Post

The teacher dictates what is taught.


   By Timber on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 02:51 am: Edit Post

The wrestlers I've experienced in competition don't generally do well. After the first attemp at a single or double you know what they're trying for. And with the jackets you can just lift them up so they can't be in the crouched position.


   By robert on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 05:09 pm: Edit Post

Morote seionage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJvVbj6XkmU

Works well on wrestlers that cant gi fight.

Attempt the technique after you "lift them so they cant crouch".

Also, a basic wrestler will instinctively go for a basic tie up. Leaves them wide open for morote.

heres a more detailed vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsLamsKEXho

WHen you feel downward pressure, morote.


   By robert on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 05:22 pm: Edit Post

I'll never forget the way my first judo instructor taught ippon seoinage.

His routine was so scripted to the point of it being an act, and a funny one. Of course after teaching the same thing for so long, its obviously easier to stick with a program.

Anyway, he would start by saying "you just met an old friend that you havent seen for a while" so you would shake hands, right to right. Then he would say "then you remember he owes you money, so you throw him on the ground" Ippon seoinage. Everytime... He was a great guy.


   By Timber on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 06:19 pm: Edit Post

Robert,

Why did you stop judo? And what's with the craze for internal kung fu all of a sudden?


   By Backarcher on Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 12:00 am: Edit Post

In my opinion, you'll find yourself on another level when you stop looking at labels like "wrestling", "judo" and "SJ" and just look at combat as biomechanics and physics.


   By Timber on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 08:30 am: Edit Post

I see what you're saying but for me a mental shift isn't enough. I just need to practice more.


   By Backarcher on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 04:54 pm: Edit Post

You are right, for there is no replacement for practice.


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