Lost in BJJ, the art of the turnover is historically very, very important...

http://www.groundnevermisses.com/2014/07/competition-turnovers.html

Great post!

Initially, I was always in shock when someone turtled against in in BJJ, for I come from a wrestling, judo, sambo background. I had so many different ways to turn them over that I would often hesitate too long and they'd pull guard.
I actually, had more trouble with the judo turtle.
But one think that almost always worked were my basic wrestling turnovers.
I had to create a new skill, "the art of turning someone over without them pulling guard". That's a little trickier.

Great post.

It is sad that BJJ was rooted in classical judo, but takedowns, pins and turnovers are fading away.

Thanks BA!
You are spot on with the sadness. Tim mentioned it in another post a while back... we are quickly fading away from the roots (self defense) of martial arts. Turtling against a weapon carrying opponent = death! Being pinned is dangerous with or without a weapon (ask Rousey's last opponent... whats her name??).

Points points points. Advantages advantages advantages. All that matter, right??

Call me crazy, but I think things will get better some day. Ronda has caused many who ignored throws before, those who were post "old Karo in the UFC". Alexis Davis even said she has a goal of going back to learning judo.

Now, in modern MMA, the "new catchwrestling" is starting to dominate. Which is takedown, control, ride, pound, control, pound, take submission only if it's given and if on the bottom, get back to the feet. It's actually more "self-defense" friendly too.

I prefer the apple turnover.