Q. for Tim regarding footwork

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   By Craig on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 03:16 am: Edit Post

Hi Tim,

So far the majority of footwork applications I have been exposed to in throwing has involved some kind of spinning/pivoting on the ball of the foot, or hopping into position (like going into a standard ippon seoinage), with exception to some techniques.

I would be very interested to hear your opinion on the advantages and disadvantages of spinning/pivoting/hopping into place vs. something like using stepping patterns to move the body into place. Do you personally favor one method over the other?

Cheers,
Craig


   By Jake Burroughs on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 10:52 am: Edit Post

Just make sure to pivot on the ball of the foot, not the heel! That is where knee's get blown out!
Jake


   By Craig on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 03:20 pm: Edit Post

Yes, as stated above I was refering to the ball of the foot - A concept constantly drilled into us by out instructors - I've seen what happens to people end up on their heels.

Cheers,
Craig


   By robert on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 11:37 pm: Edit Post

i was told to pivot on the heels by a tai chi instructor, is this any different?


   By Tim on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 12:57 am: Edit Post

Hi Craig,

In the case of back turning throws, sometimes it is more efficient to spin into position, especially in a sporting context when you and your opponent are locked in grips, a Judo or BJJ match for example.

I prefer and most often teach entering back turning throws from more advantageous positions, instead of a more equal gripped up position. For example, if I were going to set up a hip toss, I would normally try and get an underhook deep behind the opponent and move into a position toward the opponent's side, at a 90 degree angle ideally, then I can time the throw so I only need make one step to fit into position for the throw, rather than using the standard cross step-pivot-back step sequence.

My experience has been beginning the throws from a more side on, 90 degree angled position allows for a safer entry, guards against blows and leaves more follow up options available.

This method will not be appropriate for all throws. And in a sport grappling context, where strikes are not a consideration, the standard cross step-pivot-back step entry will often be quicker to set up and score with.


   By Backarcher on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 01:44 am: Edit Post

Me too, Tim!

I'm always trying to get perpendicular. Half of the work is done then.


   By Craig on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 02:22 am: Edit Post

Thanks, Tim. That makes a lot of sense. When you say going for an under hook, are you specifically talking about going of a cross grip under hook, or does it not really matter?

I am asking this stuff because along side the standard Judo type entries I've been trying the entry into hip throw that is shown in Effortless combat throws - the one where you enter into the throw from the outside of opponents arm and 90 degree to him.

Hopefully some day I'll get a chance to learn some of the methods you discribe, properly from you.

Cheers.


   By Jake Burroughs on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 10:09 am: Edit Post

Craig
Tim is doing seminars all over now days. He will be in Detroit in a couple weeks. Seattle in a month. He also does them on a regular basis in NY, and Colorado.
Pretty much across the country.
Jake


   By Craig on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:43 am: Edit Post

Unfortunately I'm not in a situation where I can travel at the moment, but when I am I will attend all that I can - until then... I'll keep reviewing Tim's books/dvds and train what I train.

Craig


   By Tim on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 01:04 pm: Edit Post

Craig,

Here's an example of setting up a hip toss with a gi. Say you and your opponent are in standard Judo grips. Let go of your opponent's right elbow and circle your left elbow around and over the top of his right arm from the outside. Bring your left elbow very close to your own head and then drop your elbow in front of your chest, your opponent's right hand will be under your left arm pit. Squat as you drop your elbow to use your body weight then extend your left arm under the opponent's right armpit and grab the rear center of his belt.

Circle to your left until you are 90 degrees to your opponent and you will be in position to take one step with your left foot for a left handed hip toss.


   By Craig on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:55 pm: Edit Post

Cool, thanks Tim, I'll give that a try tomorrow.


   By Craig on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 01:17 am: Edit Post

I tried the entry described by Tim tonight during Judo Randori and i have to say that it was a lot of fun. I didn't manage to get the throws from that position, but the setup and fitting into the throw felt good - the finishing of the throws were not so good. I need to practice more.


   By Jason M. Struck on Monday, February 18, 2008 - 12:57 pm: Edit Post

"Me too, Tim!

I'm always trying to get perpendicular. Half of the work is done then."

This is what pulling and foot sweeps are all about. As my skill in 'Hiza Guruma' increased, my ability to apply (opportunities afforded) hip throws sky-rocketed.

Tim and Craig- If I am picturing it correctly, that would be the easiest Tani-Otoshi in the world!


   By Tim on Monday, February 18, 2008 - 04:11 pm: Edit Post

Jason,

Tani Otoshi is exactly the follow up I most often use if the opponent squats and stops me from stepping across in front of him.


   By Jason M. Struck on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 09:30 pm: Edit Post

i thought we were on the same page.


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