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Tim's Discussion Board: Jiu Jitsu/Grappling/Ground Fighting : Tim: Help with a throw?: Archive through May 15, 2008
   By Backarcher on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 10:46 pm: Edit Post

Or anyone!

How does he make this throw work?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lqTWxrHzaWI

What is he doing with his foot to capture his opponent's foot?


   By dirty rat on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 12:41 am: Edit Post

Seems like he's using a combination of capturing the foot & pressing down on his partner towards the captured foot to make it hard for him to step back and escape when he uses his forward step with the left foot to push him off balance.


   By Tim on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 01:23 am: Edit Post

And he lifts the guy as he sweeps.

Cool throw.


   By garrett stack on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 04:55 am: Edit Post

Tim do you think this would be a hard throw to pull off on someone of equal size or larger or is it still mostly a matter of timing .


   By Jake Burroughs on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 11:31 am: Edit Post

Sweet throw!
Jake


   By chris hein on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 11:46 am: Edit Post

I'll try it tonight, thanks for sharing.


   By jean paul khoi pease on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 02:15 pm: Edit Post

seems like the leg trap is the key


   By Ventura on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 02:48 pm: Edit Post

Seems like his size is the key.


   By Jake Burroughs on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 03:25 pm: Edit Post

Tim
How would one get this throw no gi? I get something similar every now and then, but my timing and setup are off I am sure. I try to time my students stepping with the sweep, and concern myself little with grips. Or simply have one hand at the nape of the neck, and the other turn their arm a bit.
Thanks
Jake


   By Backarcher on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 04:44 pm: Edit Post

Jake,

The way I came upon this is through my study of Sasae Tsuri-Komi Ashi or a "post": http://youtube.com/watch?v=HVeE2mcOin0. It's a basic throw. But my focus is no-gi and clinch. For the last couple weeks, I've been teaching my police officers and MMA fighters this tactic.

First I teach them from an extended range, wrist grab, then double bicep, then collar and elbow, then from the Muay thai plum and lastly from the over and under.

I haven't gotten this unique throw down yet, but I'm trying it from all the same grips as Sasai.


   By Tim on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 07:01 pm: Edit Post

I think it would work against someone larger, but because of the lifting component, I think it would be quite a bit easier to execute if you could grab the cloth.

It will be interesting to see what Backarcher comes up with no-gi.


   By Jason M. Struck on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 11:03 am: Edit Post

i've seen some adapt closer underhooks (think wizzer) and posting up under the arm-pit.

as far as his basic version and variation;

the basic idea is drawn from these concepts;
http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/sasaetsurikomiashi.htm

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/okuriashiharai.htm

most notably;
http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/haraitsurikomiashi.htm

much of his lift comes not from his huge weight advantage, but the manipulation of reaction;
he pulls the elbow in and down, and draws the opponent forward and down. Naturally, uke attempts to regain his posture by pulling up and back. This motion is amplified by the lifting on the jacket and the retreating foot is followed and swept.

Without magnificent timing, excellent grips and good strength, this would be tough to apply in randori, but against a more 'spazzy' opponent, this might work well, as you need uke's help to throw him. Typically, reactionary, physical or new practitioners can be thrown with set ups such as these.


   By Backarcher on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 07:38 pm: Edit Post

Have to disagree, Jason.

I'm not anyone special but I drilled it and was able to pull it off live. It's now an element of my foot tactic toolbox.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=c-IocUtZDzA&feature=related

It's not as difficult as it seems.


   By Jake Burroughs on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 12:59 am: Edit Post

My BJJ coach is 150 compared to my 230, and he can lift and throw me with ease with these types of throws.
Jake


   By Backarcher on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 01:04 am: Edit Post

These throws are not "lifting" throws. They are simple post and sweeps.


   By Backarcher on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 01:04 am: Edit Post

Wow...230lbs?

You are solid!


   By Jason M. Struck on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 08:56 am: Edit Post

""Typically, reactionary, physical or new practitioners can be thrown with set ups such as these.""

were some of my exact words. you're success merely indicates that you've developed the kind of timing and sensitivity to balance that comes with years on the mat.

As an aggressive offensive technique I had trouble with this, but not when I set it up like he did.

I have a tendency to 'rest' my foot on top of my opponents if they are too evasive ( i train at a college club often, with lots of new white belts who are afraid to engage ) in order to simply keep them in range. When they pull their foot out from underneath mine they are easy pray for this throw.

I however would not suggest this technique for someone without grappling experience, as I feel timing and sensitivity are pre-requisite to success.

in summation, I think we DO agree backarcher- though i will say this; of all the millions of judo comp videos out there, you will have trouble finding a good video of this throw (it's how old? scores koka/yuko) where as more approachable techniques that rely less on the mistakes of your opponents; Uchimata, seoi nage... there are HUNDREDS of videos of these.

you're original question was 'how does this work'? i just hope that my first response, with links and mechanics was helpful.


   By Jake Burroughs on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 10:14 am: Edit Post

BA-
By "lifting" I mean the little uprooting action (sort of like shaking out a rug) that this guys did. Is there a technical name for it?
Thanks
Jake


   By Jake Burroughs on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 11:41 am: Edit Post

I would venture a guess that this falls under Kazushi?
Jake


   By Abdullah Orozco on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 12:17 pm: Edit Post

Here's what I do for no-gi kuzushi, if anyone's still interested.

Many wrestlers are intent on pulling your head down. While they are doing this, keep your head up, and bring your hips as close to your oppt's body as possible, which should also bring them directly under your shoulders. Moving forward also shift's your opponent's balance, and the rest of the throw is simply timing.