Throws

Tim's Discussion Board: Jiu Jitsu/Grappling/Ground Fighting : Throws
   By Shane on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 12:41 am: Edit Post

Someone posted this clip on EmptyFlower-
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2eqfv_zviadauri-vs-kachur_extreme


   By Jason M. Struck on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 10:25 am: Edit Post

ushiro goshi!


   By robert on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 01:17 pm: Edit Post

a counter to uchi mata.


   By Jason M. Struck on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 08:15 pm: Edit Post

a counter to ANY hip throw

can also be used offensively to simply begin like 'ura nage' and throw a hip in and go for something more like 'koshi guruma'.


   By robert on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 11:25 pm: Edit Post

yeah, i dont really use it much.


   By Jason M. Struck on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 12:42 pm: Edit Post

you see it with a lot of european players that have the wrestling background. They like to drop under throws like uchi mata, and like a greco gut wrench or a good clean/snatch, just create some hang time to switch directions a little.


   By Jake Burroughs on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 07:08 pm: Edit Post

I prefer all my snatches to be clean as possible!!












Sorry... couldn't resist.


   By Bob #2 on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 07:13 pm: Edit Post

Jake,
Try Masengail.


   By Jake Burroughs on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 11:37 pm: Edit Post

Masengail, or Masengil;)


   By Bob #2 on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 10:14 am: Edit Post

Take your pick. Masengail has a minty taste. Masengil is salty.


   By robert on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 06:49 pm: Edit Post

ma sen gil?

who is that? is that another shaolin do instructor?


   By Jamie on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 01:39 pm: Edit Post

Yes a nice, Ura Nage
YES a great counter for a hip throw, but Uchi Mata is a foot/leg technique.
And it still works :-)
certainly this is not a Uchi Mata Gaeshi (Uchi Mata counter)
I like the way he gets a nice clean technique with no vinegar or water added.


   By robert on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 03:36 pm: Edit Post

whatever,

i could care less.

i dont study the names of the throws really, i study the technique, and fight.


   By Jamie on Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 01:23 am: Edit Post

Robert:

To be promoted in USJA you must know the names of the throws in Japanese it is part of the art.
Are you in some other organization?
By the way I have not seen you studing or fighting.
Are you still at Southwestern College?
When will your next tounament be?


   By robert on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 05:51 am: Edit Post

i havent been studying lately, ive been studying xing yi, but i will still toss your big ass around like a feather, just like i did last time we met.:P


   By Bob #2 on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 01:06 pm: Edit Post

Gents,
I've been told that I sometimes post too frequently and had planned to take today off. But I can't settle down to meditate with out pointing out the following;

Using the terms "big ass" and "feather" in the same sentence takes the sting right out of an insult.

Successfully throwing a feather is impossible.

So as a passive reader its difficult to gadge where you're headed in this thread.

Bob#2


   By Jake Burroughs on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 11:43 pm: Edit Post

What is gadge;)


   By Jamie on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 04:01 am: Edit Post

BOB
I really thought the line I haven’t been studying, I've been studying Xing Yi would provoke you usual sarcasm.
Again, I have been mistaken.
As for you, Robert you know where I am and how to contact me any time you want to try throwing my fat ass like a feather.

Jamie


   By Datuibad on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 05:13 pm: Edit Post

Jamie its been so long when you coiming by again at shen wu


   By robert on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 08:35 pm: Edit Post

if you are wondering about the attitude.

i was rather insulted when i asked for some information regarding signing up with the usja or whatever, and you told me that you wouldnt help.

i know that its my responsibility, but to be honest, ive tried looking for info, and couldnt find any. maybe i need to search harder. lol.

i was just offended and i shouldnt be so sensitive. it thought "how hard is it to give a quick tip, or point the way?" especially considering the fact that we are already acquainted with each other and were supposedly friends, but i know thqat you are a busy guy, once again, my apologies.

i had alot of respect for you, since we are kind of in the same boat. but i guess that it wasnt mutual.

i apologize for coming off as rude, or if i misunderstood you.

but i was ust a bit angry.

i wouldve gladly gave you a few tips if you asked me...


   By Jason M. Struck on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 03:29 pm: Edit Post

http://usja-judo.org/

i don't know where on there you're going to find anything about joining though!

as regards names; they are names, they are descriptions and concepts. One of the strengths of Judo is that there is a standardized language to describe things. Compare this to wrestlers from different regions of the united states, or Eddie Bravo to Roger Gracie and you can immediately see why this is an advantage in communicating.

uchi mata is classified as a ashi waza, yes, but many competitive players use a great deal of level changing and lift to perform it successfully. Hence the potential to use Ushiro.

you could also just use something like 'te guruma' and then turn your hips through too, for the same effect.

you were thinking of something more like that
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=fYJc4FYC2hc


   By Jake Burroughs on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 05:53 pm: Edit Post

I thought at first Eddies nomenclature was a bit.... off.... shall we say. But after the last few times I have trained with him, I have to admit it makes things SO much more easy to remember!
Jake


   By Jason M. Struck on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 07:39 am: Edit Post

so long as NO ONE else is teaching the moves he teaches. In some cases that is true, in others it may be a source of confusion.

if i go to two different judo clubs every week, I have no doubt that O soto gari is still O soto gari. There may be different set ups, teaching progressions, emphasis whatever, it will still be a throw where you unbalance to a rear corner, then reap that leg that is carrying most of the weight on it.


   By Jake Burroughs on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 09:58 am: Edit Post

Some of the techniques have not been named though. I don't know, it seems easier to remember to me, even if someone is calling it by a different name at least I have an idea in my head of what he is talking about.


   By Jamie on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 03:30 am: Edit Post

Datuibad:
I have been working mandatory overtime and have not had efficient time to do many of the activities I enjoy.
Getting some lessons in with Tim are on my list of new year resolutions. I have not accomplished many resolutions.
I have put in for a lateral move, when I get a more structured schedule I will be up to Shen Wu to tell you about it.

Jason:
I concur your spot on with the standardization of Judo.


   By Jason M. Struck on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 09:14 am: Edit Post

it's not sacred, just helpful.

people misunderstand that it's to describe a throwing concept, not an exact tactical maneuver.


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