Took my first shuai jiao class

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   By Abdullah Orozco on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 04:18 pm: Edit Post

Yasuhiro Yamashita was also hired to coach the Chinese Olympic Judo team for the Beijing Olympics.

Thought this was cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe4c-GqoTFU&feature=related


   By Tim on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 10:24 pm: Edit Post

Spectacular technique.


   By Craig on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 11:55 pm: Edit Post

A nice Koga compilation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6i3WaVNpGM


   By George A Powell on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 01:19 pm: Edit Post

That was an interesting move by MGL. It looked like the counter for gut wrench from Freestyle wreslting. Really smart move to use in that context.


   By George A Powell on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 01:26 pm: Edit Post

I watched the Koga clip nice shoulder throws both inside ond out! But most (almost all) do not slap fall. A lot even seem to land head first!


   By Craig on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 01:49 pm: Edit Post

I think the head landings are due to the person being thrown no wanting to land on their backs, since it's high level competition and they want to have the option to continue fighting. No the ideal for the streets, but you see this in a lot of high level Judo competitions.


   By George A Powell on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 06:02 pm: Edit Post

I assume that is true, but I have not seen any at lessor levels doing slapfalls. In judo wouldn't you be defending against landing on their backs while on your feet and not on ground? In freestyle and especially Greco Roman they defend against that by bridging. Most at high levels of competition are able to land with an opponent in a bridge.

In Shuai Jiao, landing or falling should be natural and a ingrained reaction. Thinking about your situational awareness when your on your way down could get you hurt if your off a mat.


   By Craig on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 09:08 pm: Edit Post

One of my Judo instructors once told me that he was thrown the first time he ever competed. The did a perfect slap-fall. When he got up, the judge said, "well, that was a beautiful break-fall, but if you had not done it, I would have thought twice about giving the other guy ippon."

If you slap in Judo competition, you will surly loose the match, if you don't, you stand a chance of rolling out of the throw or onto your side and continuing to fight.

Again, not the ideal for the street. People are able to be aware of their situation and still land safely, if they've practiced enough break falls. Plus the people I know do it enough in practice and Randori that it's second nature.


   By George A Powell on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 09:17 pm: Edit Post

You know speaking on the differences between the two arts there are a lot of interesting things. Looking at Koga, his throws were strong and textbook. But in Shuai Jiao most wouldn't have gotten a point. For a throw to be vaild the thrower cannot have 3 points of contact with the floor. So if you someone and your knee or hand touch the ground that would be a sacrifice throw. You can kind of see why we don't do much ground wreslting.


   By George A Powell on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 10:10 pm: Edit Post

Craig that was an interesting story. I had long suspected that most don't breakfall to prevent drawing attention to the throw. So it appears that there is a competitive advantage to learning our falls.

Nice! Maybe I should play Judo more often! I just wish the others would stop trying to change how I fall. Especially since breakfalling doesn't help in competition. It's not like I don't get up as fast as they do (even being 20 years older).


   By robert on Monday, December 07, 2009 - 05:08 pm: Edit Post

Koga = seionage pwnage.

His opponents saw his expertise in the shoulder throw, and when they were expecting it he switched to a inner reap. Good stuff.


   By Jamie on Saturday, December 26, 2009 - 03:48 pm: Edit Post

Shuai Jiao competition Sunday January 24th in SAN DIEGO at 10:00 am.

see link for entry and details.
http://www.kungfuchampionship.com

Hope to see you there

Jamie


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