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Didn't Jack Dempsy go 21 rounds with a Champ that out-weighed him by 80lbs and crushed the guy?

But I agree with your point. Monks can't fight. There are these monks that live down the street from me and I've beaten up most of them at one time or another.

Its funny how in movies and books monks are always training and training but in real life all they do is meditate, laugh and wait for donations.

"Snatch these pebbles, beotch"
Bob#2

Kenneth,

I too think Tim could take most fighters. But Tim against Michael McDonald the K-1 kickboxer? Sorry Tim, I'm betting on McDonald Also, when I say outweigh I don't mean being fat

Besides, the guy might have just been a body-builder. Bodybuilders are notoriously weak for their size and how much time they spend in the gym. Their aerobic conditioning usually sucks too because aerobics hinder muscular bodybuilder growth. He was also probably slow too. As George Foreman (him against tim? sorry tim ) once said, "That's not a fighting man's body [some body builder guy or something, I forget] I've got a fighting man's body."

Sure, a fighter can overcome a lot of the size disadvantage by hard training. Tim's not a monk. I never said *real* ancient shaolin monk's couldn't fight , they were rebels hiding who better know how to fight. And the reason for the growth of Wushu (yes I know what the word really means but I'm using the popular definition in America) and shaolin monk stuff is this. It all comes down to the slow degeneration of Chinese martial arts because of Communist China and commercialization.

P.S. Do I use the smiley face too much? I'm reading my posts and I'm starting to feel like I'm a homo. God forbid. I need to go watch some poon to shake the feeling.

it takes a homo to feel like a homo.

Really? Did you formulate that saying through experience? :p

Only someone secure in their sexuality can joke about it.

I'm not joking, Junior.

Via the context I was the one I was refering to as joking. I didn't feel gay. I was just joking.

Don't worry about bOb2 too much Mont... he tried to hit on me once a while back, as well... it's just this thing he has - some kind of weird insecurity, or his perverted sense of humor.

I figured that out after around 5 minutes of reading old posts.

shaolin monk vs tae kwon do champion:

http://www.blacktaoist.com/Shaolin%20Vs%20Taekwondo.html

that was cool! Hat's off to Black Taoist for putting the soundtrack to it.

it would have been cooler if either of them had landed a solid blow- but still, I like the Monk's composure.

Tim slaps down kicks like that sometimes... and it hurts for days.

Cool clip!

I'm not shure if there was no hits to the head allowed or if the monk just shwoed restraint when he got close to the tkd guy and stopped attacking?

here is where I found the fight:

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35187

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=32307

"Xing Hong is training since he was a child....so he was around 28 years than...the other guy was some kind of TKD champion at that time of the 'fight'..."

"Before you all get too deep in what should be and what might have happened, you must consider the context of the bout. It was a Korean variety show. I went through a week or so where I was watching some Korean variety shows on late night (and I don't understand any Korean). The motif is always the same. There's some goofy guy who tries whatever cultural thingy they are looking at and makes a total fool of himself. The crowd laughs. Then there's some cute girl who tries it and manages to do it once. The crowd 'ooohs'. Then there's a demonstration from someone who's the real deal. Given that this bout was in the context of such a show, the actions of both the TKD master and Xinghong were very limited - there was a lot of face riding on what happened. If you understand the first rule of face, you have to give your adversary an 'out'. That was the origins of lei tai, when you think about it. It provides the 'out' without being killed.

I always enjoy watching Xinghong move. I remember when he kicked a hole in the concrete wall of the wushuguan 'by accident' then tried desperately to cover it up. I also enjoyed the fan technique he pulled off on that goofy Korean guy. Xinghong is really great."

"Sure they may have died, but they could have avoided that *and* saved face. That's not to say people didn't take that option and got themselves killed anyway. There's no accounting for the choices of ego. But some say that the intention of Lei Tai was three-fold. One was to elevate the stage above the crowd so witnesses could see. Second was to give some kind of test to make sure people were qualified to fight - they say you had to jump onto the stage without hands to prove your agility. Third was the out - if things got too life-threatening, you could just find a way to jump off the stage. Of course, all three of these notions are hearsay..."

more info about that particular shaolin monk:

http://shixinghong.com/background/

http://shixinghong.com/background/sxh1.php