Archive through March 11, 2004

Tim's Discussion Board: Concepts : Necessity of Sparring/ Why Shaolin Monks can't Fight: Archive through March 11, 2004
   By Backarcher on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 12:02 am: Edit Post

This is getting crazy!'s not rocket science. If you train "alive" and you have the physical, mental and emotional attributes to endure within your "aliveness', then no matter what "style" you study, you are going to be a decent fighter.

Style is not the issue, it's training method.

I'm not even going to mention the comments about Muay Thai and BJJ.

If your training method doesn't consist of using your tactics against a resisting opponent, then all you have is a "combative dance".

I know BJJ and Judo players who only do "technique" practice and never live wrestling or randori and I "wouldn't" bet on them in a fight against a rookie boxer or seasoned streetfighter.

You see it is "How you train" not what you train in.

The mere physical and emotional attributes you gain in "sport" fighting is more important than the technique.

The solution is always simple. Walk in a Judo or BJJ school or a boxing or kickboxing school or high school wrestling room and show them your "dance".


   By Uber-fu (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 02:24 am: Edit Post

Backarcher,
You are making too much sense. Please stop, if you don't have a comment about how to use magic to fight the forces of Chi, then pipe down! It's not like anyone cares about learning to fight! It would be far to simple if it worked the way you describe. Magic must be involved, and I'm going to wear pajamas till I figure it out!!! Unlike you nonbelievers!


   By KungFoolss (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 05:12 am: Edit Post

Bruce Leroy,

exactly the kind of response I would expect. Incompetent stylists don't scare me, you can inf me in Hawaii teaching brainwashed stylists the error of their ways.


   By kungfoolss (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 05:15 am: Edit Post

Backarcher,

bullshido will sincerely disagree with you:

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7049


   By qui chu ji (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 06:22 am: Edit Post

Enforcer on another forum always refers to bullshido.net. How come all you guys get your opinions from one small place, then come a hoist them onto people who have been training with recognized masters for decades. Bullshido disagrees with all martial arts that do not fit in the box, labeled this is what I have done or my freinds have tried. For me web sites like bullshido clog up search engines and make it more difficult for people trying to find informative web sites like shenwu, empty flower or Jarek's site. Vaguly amusing at best anybody who takes there opinion from bullshido really should be called Kungfool.


   By organic (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 11:18 am: Edit Post

That's because kungfoolss is Enforcer. I've seen him use the line "elite combat professionals" before - except he was referring to ninjitsu, not SCARS. Go to Jarek's board to see the proof. He's like a creepy computer program designed to fill martial arts forums with his copy/paste crap. But his patterns are starting to show.

I've called you out, Enforcer. Go home now.


   By chris hein on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 03:06 pm: Edit Post

The problem with the silly bushindo article is that they don't allow for the truth. Styles really never fight styles. People fight each other. If you learn a style it will teach you some new tricks, and hopefully a new perspective, but if you fight allot then you know how to fight. FIghting is fighting. Watch 2 kids do it on a playground, the basis for the whole thing is there. This idea of a style that only uses elbows (idea from the article) is implausible, because a guy who fights already knows that a fight is going to be more then all elbows, his elbows might improve from the learning of such a style, but that doesn't mean that he's going to forget everything else he knows! Would a style that added knees be an improvement? well it would take away from your time to train elbows, so....

These people who what to pretend that they can fight now because MMA exists and they have heard of it, are no better then the people who say "my style is better because my master beat up a whole army". People fight people, you already have the natural human ability to fight, some people are better then others, we train so that we can be as good as we can possibly be. If you want to be a good fighter, fight, if you wanna be a good talker, just keep it up.


   By willard ford on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 02:34 pm: Edit Post

Are you guys saying the Navy guy in the Village People is gay!? What's next, Liberace...Freddy Mercury...Culture Club?

On a more serious note, why don't we invite Kungfools to give us a demonstration of SCARS. It would be interesting. Maybe we can invite John Marsh to to test the 100% effectiveness of the SCARS system.


   By qui chu ji (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 06:09 am: Edit Post

How about a seminar with SCARS, ninjitsu and egyptian kung fu. Let them all go at each other arms swinging, strange sounds eminating from there mouths and bowels. Who would clean up the mess afterwards though?


   By Henry (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 06:32 pm: Edit Post

verbal projection can be useful and the physcological factor should be a card to be played. people usualy dont screw around with "crazy/mentally deranged" agressors.

for example, i know a guy that used to get beat on and picked on even in his adult hood, and one day he was driven too far and he just snapped.i saw the fight and it was vicious but the worst was yet to come, he got caught in a headlock but bit the guy hard.

he then realeased and then the really bad thing happened he grasped the attackers face between his palms and bit off his nose lke he was eating an apple then spat it on the bar floor.

seriously he looked like hannibal lecter.with his teeth gnashing and his face spattered with blood.

ever since then nobody messed with the guy.
ppl are afraid if they get in a fight with him he will bite their nose off.

btw the fight was serious and was on the point of do or die.


   By Bob #2 on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 07:31 pm: Edit Post

are you suggesting your friend could have simply screamed "LEAVE ME ALONE OR I MAY BITE YOUR NOSE OFF" and avoided being picked on altogether?


   By Tim on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 09:39 pm: Edit Post

I think Henry means once you have already bitten someone's nose off, and everyone knows about it, you can just scream and be left alone.


   By Bob #2 on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 10:29 pm: Edit Post

Ah.


   By Kenneth Sohl on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 01:59 am: Edit Post

Before switching to semi-automatics, the FBI forbid its agents to eject spent casings from their revolvers into their non-shooting hand during range training (a practice the bureau had implemented to save money by not losing as much brass) after studying several shootings which resulted in the deaths of agents. Many had been found still clutching empty brass they had subconciously "saved" during reloading. I guess you really react the way you train.


   By chris hein on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 02:34 pm: Edit Post

Maybe I should just find some dude and bite his nose off, then I wont have to train in martial arts any more. I'll just take a picture of me chomping nose, put it in my wallet, and when I feel threatend I'll take it out and pin it on my shirt. This would have saved me all these years of training!!!!


   By Mark Hatfield (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 06:33 pm: Edit Post

A Burt Richardson (sp?) book has a chapter on biting technique and training.

Having a reputation can get you into fights as well as preventing others. Such a 'rep' also does not help if you are accused of starting a fight, or having acted in self defence this reputation is bad if it's only your word against theirs.


   By Bob #2 on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 12:35 am: Edit Post

the worst aspect of biting off someone's nose is the disturbing amount of bristles that get stuck between your teeth. Flossing even days later produces bothersome reminders.

I wonder if Burt explains that little tid bit in his book.

But I can't help but wonder how the heck any of this has to do with the article written about sparring with Shoalin Monks.

Tai Ji aint for sissies
Bob#2


   By qui chu ji (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 04:39 am: Edit Post

Monkey style often uses biting techniques some shaolin monks train in monkey fist. So shaolin monks can fight if they have studied monkey boxing and they bite your nose off.


   By Kenneth Sohl on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 07:23 am: Edit Post

Hmmm, I wonder what else they might bite off...


   By qui chu ji (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 09:06 am: Edit Post

presume monkey stealing peaches is your fave technique ken.