The following quote is from a Martial Artist whom I have complete respect for,
From Geoff Thompson's Book - Animal Day

The Street Fighter

What helps the street fighter swim clear of the maelstrom of trained fighters is that they lack very little. Every Technique they use has been tried and tested in situations. They can kick, punch and grapple like they were born to do it. Most trained fighters are still embryos in the womb of combat whilst the street fighter is fully matured. The control the "duck syndrome" * with consumate ease and put most opponents out of the fight before they even know they are in it. They are fighting chameleons, adapting themselves to any given situation and changing their fight plane to better any fighter. If they are facing a fighter that is or appears to be a bit handy they may act weak or scared so as to mentally disarm them, then strik out fiercely when least expected to. If the opponent looks as though he may have a chink in his mental armour, the fighter may act over confident or stong to psyche him out and back him down, thus winning without the use of violence, or, if and when necessary, a combination of them both.

When fighting has commenced the street fighter will, if he has not already finishted the fight, assess the opponent's artillery automatically and fight them at their weakest range, forcing a kicker to punch or a puncher ot kick or a puncher to kick and grapple etc.

More than anything the street fighter will use guille as opposed to force, his main artillery will be dialogue, this is used to prime, disarm and psyche out the opponent. His power base will be deception and innate cunning. He may go through and win several hundred encounters with only one or two techniques, beating the man with hundreds of techniques up his sleeve whilst he is in mental log jam trying to figure out which of the hundreds he should apply. He will also use everything in his environment as an incidental weapon.


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I've not typed the rest of the quote which goes onto the Streetfighters weaknesses, but for now lets just discuss how everyone feels about the concept of the "Streetfighter" i.e. the local hard nutter whom is hard and has complete disdain for Martial Arts etc....

* The Duck Syndrome - as also quoted from Animal Day
In many aspects of confrontation, certainly business and combat, it can be to the recipients detriment to show that he is suffering the ills of fear, this is often seen as a weak link, so it is profitable to be able to hide the physical manifestations of adrenalin. Even in nature a dog will attack when he senses fear, the same can be said in all walks of likfe. A Duck will appear to glide through the water with grace and elegance. Under the water his littel webbed feet will be going like the clappers. When you understand you can control the adrenal flow it is possible to hide adrenal reaction (going like the clappers) by appearing unmoved and calm. This decieves those around you into believing that you are not scared. As an old Sage once said, "When ignorance is mutual, confidence is King".

End Quote

The Street Fighter

”What helps the street fighter swim clear of the maelstrom of trained fighters is that they lack very little. Every Technique they use has been tried and tested in situations.”

Every technique!

I only have about 20,000 of them. Oh boy and I have tried everyone. This is cook talk.

“They can kick, punch and grapple like they were born to do it. Most trained fighters are still embryos in the womb of combat whilst the street fighter is fully matured.”

“Embryo in the womb of contact.” I think you and your budy are sperms in the lake of the toilet. How corny can you get. Waht are you wanabe writers. Go back to school if you ever went.

“The control the "duck syndrome" * with consumate ease and put most opponents out of the fight before they even know they are in it.”

I feel like I am reading some Cristmas tale starring Donald Duck.

Duck syndrome. I’m crying in laughter here.

“They are fighting chameleons,”

That means they are lizards on a hot tin roof.

“adapting themselves to any given situation and changing their fight plane to better any fighter.”

HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! Reeedick as in ••••••••• u as in you lus. Lus as in lackluster horrible writing.

“If they are facing a fighter that is or appears to be a bit handy they may act weak or scared so as to mentally disarm them, then strik out fiercely when least expected to. If the opponent looks as though he may have a chink in his mental armour, the fighter may act over confident or stong to psyche him out and back him down, thus winning without the use of violence, or, if and when necessary, a combination of them both.”


Although it was structured in a quazi lame way I get what you are saying and although it is boring it does make sense. Sense that everybody has heard before.

”When fighting has commenced the street fighter will, if he has not already finishted the fight, assess the opponent's artillery automatically and fight them at their weakest range, forcing a kicker to punch or a puncher ot kick or a puncher to kick and grapple etc.”

Do you write for cheap porn websites or something.

Is English your fist language.

”More than anything the street fighter will use guille as opposed to force, his main artillery will be dialogue, this is used to prime, disarm and psyche out the opponent. His power base will be deception and innate cunning.”

You have been watching tooooooo many Brazilian soap operas.


“He may go through and win several hundred encounters”


Several hunderd encounters , AAAAAHHH, HAAAA, YOU ARE KILLEN ME Larry..

“with only one or two techniques, beating the man with hundreds of techniques up his sleeve whilst he is in mental log jam”

Does this mean he is contispated.

Trying to figure out which of the hundreds he should apply.


Now he is thinking. Ooops to late, already been hit. Wow, my nose sure feels disfigured and all this wierd tatse in my mouth, could it be blood and by the way it sure is bright out here. Never seen so many stars.

Hey where am I. The lights are down and the bed smaell like disenfectant and women are walking aroung dressed in white. Oh I am in purgatory. Wait, wait, no its just the hospital. Boy am I lucky. Now, back to thinking about them hundreads of techniques.

Waht a BAFOON.


“He will also use everything in his environment as an incidental weapon.”

Is that like an incidental tourist.

I think your streetfighter is an incident waiting to happen.

Have you ever even met anybody who has been in a fight.

It is not that romantic.

What are you some kind a guy who jacks off to pro wrestling.

Sincerely,

“I never got nuttin to say” Jack Vincent.

Sorry, I know I’m down south now and you have you technical lingo and internal huga huga to discuss, but I just couldn’t let this one get buy.

I an going to deposit some swimmers in the womb of a 21 year old spinner’s greater temptatoins. How’s that for prose.

Oh by the way these spanish keyboards got only upside down question marks.

Duck syndrome.

They are paying me to kick some squatters off a property tommorrow. I sure am gonna remamber to control that ol duck syndrome when I fling them ••••••• over there newly constructed barb wire fence.

Watch em waddle.

Maybe I’ll take some pictures and send em just for shits and giggles.

Oh by the way, who ever you were or wannabe, none of this counts for somthin to say. But that is alright, 95 % of the people here got nothin to say either. At least you tried.

Wat better luck next time.

Some one pretending to be Jack Vincent? Maybe a sincere compliment.

Jack, you are so right to be sceptical, but so stupid to assume that such things don't exist.

Jack, it's a quote from one of Geoff Thompsons books, based in the UK, your making jibes at my writing however please note I've just quoted from the book, it's not my own writing or grammar, in case you were wondering.

The discussion was started to see how Martial Artists feel about the modern day concept of a Streetfighter.

In answer to your question "Have you ever even met anybody who has been in a fight. It is not that romantic."

Yes I have met someone who has actually been in a "fight", I have been in a "fight" as well. I don't think fighting is romantic either, infact it's kinda ugly.

Kind Regards

Jay Sun

whatever... i was born and raised on the streets, and people seem to give "streetfighters" or should i say "thugs" more credit then they deserve. although they do have a slight advantage when it comes to fearlessness, ruthlessness, dirty tricks, intimidation, and savvy. ive seen og's get the •••• kicked out of them by an average boxer, and, streetfighters usually dont know how to kick. at least where i come from. and the only techniques ive seen are headlocks, windmill punching( a constant barrage of straight punches) kicking while the opponent is on the ground, and very poor wrestling. but i will say that they can fight better than the average joe. most likely because they have alot of hate inside of them,the way they were raised, and the fact that they are not afraid to hurt you. also, chances are that they have had their share of fighting experience, a crucial component of any fighter.

Hey Jack take a chill pill! You just sound like a bitter twisted mule with these characteristics and traits...

Mordant
Execrable
Yammering
Numskulled
Acerbic
Rancorous
Decrial

do i? well uh.. i know what yammering means, and im familiar with the term numbskulled, oh wait! haha, i get it now. well its true!

sincerely, the zealous fool. rob.

oh, that was for jack... oops.

Martial arts taught without morality will only produce streetfighter's. When Martial arts are taught with an excellent lineage or pedigree the teacher should watch out for producing overtly big headed and arrogant students whom are quick to see the faults in others but not in themselves!

As I said the Students themselves might feel they are "righteous" but just end up appearing as holier-than-thou, pharisaic, pietistic, pious, & superior, or as I previously stated they appear a bitter twisted mule with these characteristics and traits...

Mordant
Execrable
Yammering
Numskulled
Acerbic
Rancorous
Decrial

Even though in person this type of student from the above acronym, comes across as above, this may be an incorrect perception. Sometimes unfortunately this is one of the by products when certain type characters have access to a World Famous/World Class Teacher & Martial Artist.

I am currently coming to the end of a 2 year thesis of my study of phschology in the Martial Arts which I hope to sumbit to the American Psychological Society shortly after thanksgiving.

He haw he haw,

You take the pill Rick the righteous.

If your are talking about teaching kung fu, you are taliking about a complete education in technique, psychology of body and psychology of mind.

You are talking about meditation, awareness, vision and acceptance. The building of ones confidence which leads to creation of character. With confidence in your character one is empowered with couage to adventure into what was previously consider dangerous teritory, physical, financial, emotional and intellecual.

Take a walk in northern Liberia with the local cops who you have been teching kung fu to for three years.

Disapprove face to face with a land barron who builds house from which the sewages flows directly into the local water supply.

Sei in a hut in Chag Rai and smoke some opium for a dat and dream. You will learn a lot about yourself. Walt Disney did. Father 11 children love, teach and support them. You emotion will rise and fall to new levels. Read, read and read more taoust text, Confuscian philosophy and meditate. Understand the moment and increase your intellectual capacity. Right brain left brai isometrics.

This is living for something outside yourself. It is also the reason that I responded to that romantic fight junk. Fih=ghting is ugly and the LEAST artful way to resolve contention.


Character creates courage, if you have confidence in your character. That why I write how I write. I know who I am and I know that what I say and what I write affects people in differnt ways, Sure has affected you Ricy the dictionary dude. Do I belive all that I write, maybe. Do I have to belive it, maybe. I know very little. Biut I have opinions about a lot of things. How much do you know Dicksionfairy dude. Are you a know it all. Please enlighten.

Charcter is the end product of kung fu. Not martal arts.

Martial arts are sports. Sports are not taught with Taoist or Buddhist morality. There is no confusis ethic in Martail arts. It is about TECHNIQUE.

Pscycholgy in the martial arts?

Exactly what is that? Here sit on the couch, close your eyes and regress to when you were a child. Now pay me your money and let me violate you with my degree. The best physcologist are baretenders, that is, the ones you do not know.

There is no link between pshycology and martial arts.

Now, with kung fu or an ancient authentic system that teaches completes, the ability to provide, protect and communicate. Well that is differnt because your enter the arena of everyday life. If you can bring your kung fu out of the studio and into the real world to make it a better place for you and everything in it. Thats is something important. Martial arts are sports. How important are sports. Unless of couse its womens volley ball!!! Love those long legged jumpers. MMMMM.


Martial arts taught without morality will only produce streetfighter's. When Martial arts are taught with an excellent lineage or pedigree the teacher should watch out for producing overtly big headed and arrogant students whom are quick to see the faults in others but not in themselves!

Can you say, naive? Watch my lips. Nighe – Eve.

If you think you have a chance to control anybody but yourself you are naive.

Master strategist control other by teaching them control. Thus they are free of controlling.

They do not produce anything. Under a great teacher the students produce themselves.

As I said the Students themselves might feel they are "righteous" but just end up appearing as holier-than-thou, pharisaic, pietistic, pious, & superior, or as I previously stated they appear a bitter twisted mule with these characteristics and traits...

He haw, he haw. Well I do have some characteristic in common with a mule, and the girls love it.

Mordant
Execrable
Yammering
Numskulled
Acerbic
Rancorous
Decrial

OK DICTIONARY DUDE. Dazle me adjatives and tell me how you have inproved yourself and other with your sports mentality. Right.

Even though in person this type of student from the above acronym, comes across as above, this may be an incorrect perception. Sometimes unfortunately this is one of the by products when certain type characters have access to a World Famous/World Class Teacher & Martial Artist.

I bet you bow to him. Jeeez. At least I have lived long enough, fought enough to know, and I don not means sports compition, that a mans character is the most important thing and that a highly skilled kung fu man knows that character is action not talk.

So you keep writing that thesis college kid. While I hang in the third world using my kung fu (knowing) daily.

Enjoy your social cushion and you American stucco mouseliums. I perfer making a difference and affecting peoples lives. Oh and by the way buy a new car so everybody knows how cool you are.

About the only thing a psychology of martial arts thesis is good for is wipping one anual orfice.

Kung fu teacher are not interested in fame. They shroud themselves in mystery. Fame is a joke to them. So is money and status.

I am currently coming to the end of a 2 year thesis of my study of phschology in the Martial Arts which I hope to sumbit to the American Psychological Society shortly after thanksgiving.

That is really significant. Wht dont you share some of you real worls wisdom with us. Or is it just theory and book babylon.

No time to spell check. Sorry Charlie.

I am Jack Vincent, Who are you, who-who who-who. Who the •••• are you! With all respect to the Who.

Wake up and live, wake up and live. Then you will have something to say. yeah, that a boy.

Rick,

May be an incorrect perception. In person and on the net are not always the same character. You also have to take into consideration before and after.

Well said Tim, I agree !

as for Jack I believe you are a multi faceted character whom more than likely posts under more than one name on this newsgroup, so Jack or Bob or Bob 2 or Meynard or whomever you are I can picture you reciting these words to your self

"We have found the enemy and they is us !"

Jack you are a delusional, whom is quite apparently suffering from Martial Arts derived multi faceted psychosis, where the more you try to loose your ego the bigger and more cranky it gets! A standard run of the mill Rage-A-Holic Neurotic Extrovert Egotistical Phsycotic... what is alarming is your character type only ever enterprets this behaviour as a minor infringement of overt smugness

quote keanu reeves: whoa...

Whistle while you work.

Western Psychology is pure B. ••••• is a money making gimmick. Give me common sense any day over psycho babble.

If you can't respond to real life, mirror you own inadequacies, then dazzle em with B. S. Right Ricky? You ought to do very well and make a lot of money exacerbating your patient’s problems so you can bill em more hours.

Not on my watch sucka. You are a perfect example of the US ••••-stem.

No soul, only book knowledge and no real life experience. You probably think what is legal is what is ethical.

Feel sorry for you.

I have made a ton of mistakes and I love my bombastic, cantankerous personality, as it is not a character flaw - it is a character asset.

Look beneath the words.

All highly skilled kung fu men turn accidents into advantages. I am an accident waiting to happen to you. But you cannot see beyond your own pious personality.

Crisis and opportunity walk through the same door chum.

Kung fu, or protection techniques and a well-rounded education enable one to be a street master. A silent director of the opponent’s fate.

And if others try to compromise his knowing, his self-definition, and he refuses and they insist... Well he has the resources to stand firm. Not cave to social pressures and those that might take advantage of him and others.

This is the value of a kung fu education; to do right, to your self. To sleep well at night and know whom you are in all your perfections and imperfections. And not to be hung up on fighting.

To risk, as the backbone of kung fu application is the resolute acceptance of death, until then and only then are we free to live. Free to make a difference in the outside world. The psycho babble, relentless marketing, polluting society of which you have been sucked into to and of which you are a constant contributor to my tax paying buddy, is to your determent, or should I say your children’s detriment if natures lives long enough to allow them endure.

You think you live in a country that has culture. You live in a cultural vacuum. That is why women are men here and men are women.

That is why people like you reach out to the martial arts to find a place where you can feel like a hunter, a man. Yet it is merely sports. Hunt the bad guys, the injustice, if you want to feel like a man, a leader, not merely one who follows sports.

It is as if practicing to live while being confined to a bubble. A very narrow one way restricted avenue, instead of a plethora of airports enabling tremendous longitude and latitude.

That is why Arabs run planes into building because the video game, movie industry, which you support, makes life a game. Get real.

Buy a backpack and travel if you want an education.

Get over the romantic street fighter who is a cross between superman and the latest UFC star.

The world needs men. Men who know who they are, and do there best effectively, efficiently and relentlessly. Not more sportsmen, confined to their arenas.

Jack at ya. Ball in you court baby. Maybe you can respond to some of my points instead of the personal attacks, which are ok too. Actually, I kinda enjoy them. Seems like you might have the potential to have something to say. Might?

Lets see. Can you step out of the psycho babble?

Hey, Tim can you clarify you last mail. My puny brain didn’t get it.

Hey Jack,

Rick was referring to one of my students in a previous post, I think he may have been confusing you two as the same person.

Sonny Chiba makes hilarious wannbe faces in the "Street Fighter" movie series. The funny part about it is I think he's being serious.

wannabe Bruce Lee faces that is....

Jack, I pity your suffering of this unabated fanaticism and hate against the west and westerners (which if left unchecked will end up destroying you), this it typified with a very very small percentage of men whom constantly see westerners study their art and do it better then them (not all of the time bust some of the time), indeed your exaltation of terrorsist catastrophy typifies your infantine state of angression. Maybe Jack your a non achiever in your own eyes? You got passed over for that promotion which was rightfully yours! Throughout our life, especially during our youth, many scars are inflicted upon us. Some of them are the results of violence, abuse, or warfare. Others are from bad education. A few come from humiliation a few from failure. Others are caused by our own misadventures.

Unless we recover from these injuries, the scars mar us forever. You can only recover from your scars Jack through self cultivation. It is evident that you are unable to recover from your scars without help, no man is an island, in the meantime Jack my immediate advice it try to aquire as few problems as possible. With on going councelling you may be able to rid yourself of this unabating dysfunctional personality affliction.

Rick

Jack doesn't hate squat. He's just trying to stir the turd to get some attention and pretend he has an opinion.

I suggest we all fall for it and reply "oooo" and "ahhhh".

Bob#2