Nice contrast between sport-like fighting and violence here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pl5yloOLBU

wow!

That was very difficult to watch for more than one reason.

Yet another great reason not to fight ••••••• idiots when alcohol is involved! "Tough guy(s)" were willing to go to prison the rest of their pitiful little lives over what??????????????
Sad,
Jake

Easy to watch.

A great example of poor positioning.

And of how to lose before the fight begins.

Thanks for post My-O.

Some observations:

Natural tendency of violence to escalate, exceed the boundaries of "a man's sport." The audible moment of sick anguish when the first serious injury seems immanent: transition from competition to atrocity.

The role of the martial artist (i.e. the fat bald guy) – defuse, de-escalate, resolve the situation. Similar to the role of the police (& the courts; as opposed to the military): to re-contain violence within some more pacific social order. Without intervention of this kind, escalation will tend to move towards a feud situation where people are out to ambush each other even months after the initial conflict (see that bouncer’s book "Watch My Back" for how much it sucks to have to live under the assumption that you are always being hunted).

The technical skills of the fat bald guy were up to the task. Nothing dramatic or ostentatious, just got himself where he needed to be and did what was necessary to interrupt the potential for bat bath or shooting. The foresight to stay close to a guy running to his car a more valuable martial attribute than a stunning spandex-clad physique.

Prison time? Not an expert, but probably even if there was a fatality I wouldn’t expect more than maybe five to ten years or so. With money for a good lawyer and some choice expert witnesses (and in the absence of a video record) maybe a lot less. People seem to get away with murder more often than not. Also, people seem to generally come out of prison worse than they went in. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of "cure," i.e. I would say the fat bald guy probably accumulated enough karma in that situation to upgrade his next life to business class.

Well My-O I live as if I am being hunted even if I am not, Keeps it real. Always have an eye n the rear view mirror. Literally and figuratively.

It ain't so bad, actually it keeps me in a "peak state" mind set.

Mundane is cool, Jack does mundane. But peak is when I come alive. Balance is key.

Just FYI

Average homicide clearance rate in US is about 60%.

Average time served for homicide conviction is about 6 years.

Convictions on other forms of assault average about 2.5 years served.

I could do that standing on me head.

I used to enjoy burrito night!

40% conviction rate, well, well, well you comp guys better develop the mind set to go all the way if needed.

Clearance rate is the percentage of situations in which there is enough evidence to press charges. The statistic means that 40% of all homicides in the US dont result in any sort of subsequent criminal proceedings due to lack of evidence.

Felony cases that go to trial have roughly 80% conviction rate. Homicide cases go to trial relatively frequently (about 45% of the time). The rest are resolved by plea. Pleading means pleading guilty.

Six years in prison will destroy what normal people refer to as a "life," i.e. career, family, etc. People who dont have "lives" dont have to worry about this of course. However, they do need to keep in mind that a criminal conviction makes it likely that the victims people will be able to win civil damages and seize all your declared assets.

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"Go all the way" to where, Senior V?

The fucked up thing is you would do 10-life for drug possesion in some states! Makes one wonder where America's priorities are!?!?
Jake

In the toilet as nobody ever stands up any more, except illegal aliens and their families.

Go al the way means that if people know they have a 50/50 chance of getting away with murder, then they are more likley to commit murder, therefore you need the mindset to choose a 50/50 chance of being judged by 12 rather than carried by six.

Jack

You could do that, sure. But why? Why not develop the mindset, and the corresponding skillset (IMO the two things are the same), to where you are capable of controlling your situation without the desperate freak-out escalation that is the unprepared man's only "alternative"?

Self defense is legal. Even if you have to kill someone. Of course, the burden of proving that you HAD to do it is on you. All the more reason to be proactive about knowing what you are doing, and conservative about what you do.

My-O

I like "proactive about knowing what you are doing, and conservative about what you do."

"Win before the battle begins."

"Accomplish the big while it is still small."

These are two of my favorite Asian sayings. However, most martial arts create a sport mindset; it does not include the physiological acceptance needed to either maim or kill if needed.

Prevail in the situation by not getting yourself into it. That is beating them with your mind.

Pressure them through associates or trade political favors to prevail - thus winning with your financial/social power.

Due to bad positioning, (happens to the best of us) one finds the need to prevail physically.

This requires using sufficient power and fortitude to finish the job (according to the requirements of the overall situation).

These applications and strategies are rarely discussed because sport martial arts have little pertinence to the big mat - the world outside the ring.

Most people do not know how to use their years of study daily to enhance their lives.

The idea is not to kill and not to be killed. This takes a black belt mind and a black belt mouth if you are going to wield power on the big mat. Little mat players do not need such a broad education.

Never the less, even the most basic cultural education will serve them well.

If you are going to build a racecar, you should have a guidance system to match.

P. S. The unpreparied man is also unprepaired "not to fight" as well as unprepaired to mentally deal with the consequences of his sufficent actions.

"Sparring is not fighting. Sparring is mutually agreeing to beat the hell out of each other ... Stop sparring ladies and gentlemen and start researching fights. Not fighting – fights: how they start, how they end." (Tony Blauer)

"Its not about winning in training, its about 'training' in training...to create a 'synthetic' replication of a real world problem so that come 'game-day' your body/mind has been stress-inoculated to the safest degree possible." (Tony Blauer).

"These training methods were developed by warriors in the Philippines to train well and safely. Here in the United States we try to use them to develop warriors – which is an entirely different task – and blame the methods instead of ourselves when we still can't fight." (Marc Denny)

"You don't learn the martial art (which is only an illusion), you learn about yourself." (Scott Sonnon)

"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought." (Basho)

Was that you Tim whp posated those?

Those are great quotes.

Very applicable to the big mat.

"Its not about winning in training, its about 'training' in training...to create a 'synthetic' replication of a real world problem so that come 'game-day' your body/mind has been stress-inoculated to the safest degree possible." (Tony Blauer).

The best way to accomplish this is by realistic sparring (not necessarily competing).

Great quotes.

one more fun quote:

Courageous, untroubled, mocking and violent-that is what Wisdom wants us to be. Wisdom is a woman, and loves only a warrior.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Wisdom is a woman?

This guy must have suffered terribly.

If this is true, I perfer to be like Shane.

too bad Nietzsche could never practice what he preached. He was a nut job.

"This guy must have suffered terribly."

True. But what did not kill him made him stronger.

was Nietzsche the one who was terrified of ferns?

or was it Freud?

"Freudian Fears
Freud postulated a phallic stage centered on one’s public face and private fears. With every hair in place, Freud was compulsively vain. Freud nursed personal phobias about death, railways and even ferns (pteridophobia)."

Good one Tim...

Freud? - Don't forget Casey Jones. That might have contributed to his nerousis/phychosis just a little bit.

Cunts, I ain't fraid of em. I'm just fraid of havin to lisnen to em.

Even when I do - I don't.

nuf said

where's the women?

(this is some sick shiet ain't it? I hope God's laffin)