Combat science

Tim's Discussion Board: Concepts : Combat science
   By Gwheel on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 06:02 am: Edit Post

Tim,could you elaborate on the fundamental differences in approach to training of Yiquan as a combat science as opposed to Hsing-i a martial art.Also,what is a person trying to cultivate in the practice of zhan-zhuang as opposed to san ti shi.


   By Tim on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 03:05 am: Edit Post

Science and art. When it comes to the systematic development and practice of martial skill and application, I'd imagine it isn't possible to separate the two.
Wang Xiang Zhai rebelled against the notion of memorizing and practicing linked martial arts forms for the sake of tradition. He felt students were taught forms because the sets of movements were part of a "style," and these forms were passed through generations of practitioners like heirlooms whose value had been lost. His point was that without the correct intention, these movements were without merit or benefit, and certainly had little value or relevance to the cultivation of real fighting ability. Wang looked for commonalities between all forms of martial training, and when he believed he discovered the underlying principles, he developed his own art, Yi Quan. Of course, EVERYONE that created their own "style" of martial art before him (and since) did exactly the same thing he did. Wang was unique in his time for his criticism of the traditional student-teacher relationship and his minimalist orientation in practice.

San Ti Shi is a form of Zhan Zhuang. The primary factor that differentiates the purpose of the different standing postures is the particular intent used at the time.


   By serge augier on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 04:00 am: Edit Post

hi everybody,

I think you can make a difference between "fighting tricks", "combat arts" and martial arts...not the names but 3 types of concepts.

when a country is at war for long time, the warriors who survive start having tricks for not being killed...I talk about old time fighting without firearms...they developed some "fighting tricks", and if the wars go for long time, they can even teach the trucks to the young generation.

but it's no arts, just tricks.

if the war come and go, over a longer period of time, the ancient warriors can make some style of fighting, exercises and "structure" tricks...no form, just exercises to be stronger and meaner...these are the fighting arts, just for fighting but structured.

if the war stop, and the warriors start to be bored because all they know is killing, they start thinking with their mind, imagining, not just reproducing what was is life.
they start to create and deducted and make variations on the things they know to work...and the ritual, and the forms, and....they make martial arts.

the name are not important, the evolution is.
lot of the things we see are just imaginable and created more than felt or tried, that's a problem for usage.

too many ritual and not enough training.

to use a motion in a stress situation we need some time of reaction.
the more you have to choose from your arsenal or forms the more punch you get in the nose.

if you train in the structured and clean, how can you prepare for the fighting which is Chaos and dirty...???

it's a trick question.

INTENT is what makes the difference between a punch and a punch...try!

forms can be a problem because of the intent we put in the beauty and precision of the form and forget the intent, it's not only bad for fighting but it's bad for energy work too.

well enough of my bad english...
see you soon,

serge


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