Kimbo vs mma fighter sean gannon

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   By Fight Fan (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 11:06 am: Edit Post

I recently bought a Pride DVD that had his fight with Randelman. You mentioned a list of very good fighters that he has faced. Were they all at the 170 lbs weight class? How did he fair? I still think the Liddell vs Silvia fight would be a GREAT ONE!!!! As far as the running you think Liddell would do...sooner or later he will get caught and have to fight!!


   By deadliest (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 08:21 am: Edit Post

TOUGH ONE TO CALL . . BUT I NEVER SAW ANYONE GET THE UPPER HAND ON GRACIE AND NOT GET CHOKED OUT !! CHUCK LIDDELL IS A RUNNER BUT THE GUY CAN BANG AND THATS WHAT I PAY TO SEE . . BUT MY FAVOUTITE FIGHTER AT THE MOMENT IS DAVID LOISELLE THAT GUYS ELBOWS ARE AWESOME ! ! WHEN ARE TITO AND KEN BACK IN THE RING ?


   By marc daoust on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 09:54 pm: Edit Post

how long as it been since you seen UFC?
shamrock and tito fought years ago!


   By Tim on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 03:50 pm: Edit Post

They are scheduled to fight again.


   By marc daoust on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 12:44 am: Edit Post

i know!god!
why does ken still fight?
he's just about the show,he can't fight for
.who did he ever beat?


   By marc daoust on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 12:47 am: Edit Post

he goes and lose 5 fights in a row,
then he beats one guy(kimo by luck)
and he's the world's most dangerous man again!
COME ON!!!
some good fighter sometime lose once in UFC
and we never see them again.
what's up with that?


   By MJ (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 01:41 pm: Edit Post

I don't know Daisy, I think Mary is in the kitchen with Johnny, Erica's hubby and now Erica wants to revenge screw Bobby who is Mary's hub, but he is only into anal sex so I don't know but I heard he packs a monster and Shela hasn't been able to sit or walk right all day - Oh the drama is unbearable. I guess you will have to wait untill Friday. Next episode of "How the Ring Burns" will surley be a significant one.


   By Tim on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 06:26 pm: Edit Post

Hey Jack,

It's like this, some people like to get attention by dropping names of movie stars, some people like talking about fighters.

White carpet you say...


   By Did ya miss me? (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 07:31 pm: Edit Post

Ok Ok,

I agree. Some people like to talk about competitors. Yeah well I talk about movie stars cause I saw some and kinda know a couple, not that I want to. Most are like muscians, well not quite as bad. I don't talk about them cause I am enamoured of them.

You are never gonna agree with me that public displays of people attcking each other are, lets say... barbaric?

And we are just gonna disagree. Agree to disagree or disagree to agree. Whats it gonna be. You or me gonna agree or let it be? Such hyperbole!

To much fun to disagree. Especially on your turf. Really rumbles the quire when I attack their sacred athletes (cows).

I am a sociologist at heart. I study people. Their action and thoughts. I like it when they disagree with me as much as when they agree - actually more. This is the stage when contention lays the foundation of conflict - and I usually win before the fight has begun, at least before they think the fight has begun. I aint into sport or sporting chances.)

So I think UFC and compition is not only lame but pathetic. I hate to see that mind set developed in those who are being passed the martial arts future.

I am not enamored bout movie stars. And someone said great mind talk about ideas. Average minds talk about policies (politics). Inferior minds talk about people.

I wish you and I had something in common to talk about, cept it would probally feel lame and get boring like the majority and the back-pattin posts on this site.

Aw I guess I'll just stop postin. Ain't no fun no more. This is where the smiley face goes.

Oh yeah, Mr T, why did you ban me? And then a reprive.

Wow I felt like Steve McQueen in "Branded." Striped of his dignity and disposed like a used rag. Da nuoive of dees peepole!


   By Jason M. Struck on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 12:16 am: Edit Post

yeah, kimbo... that was an interesting fight. with the punching, and the breaking them up.


   By Tim on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 10:57 pm: Edit Post

Hey Jack,

Well, if watching men fight for sport is barbaric, I'm barbaric. But I have a different view. I'd equate barbaric with violent. I don't think combat sports are barbaric or violent. Bigger and stronger men beating down smaller and weaker men for no reason is barbaric and violent, three guys stomping one guy is barbaric and violent. MMA isn't violence, it's sport.

I think the UFC and related events are the best thing that has happened to the "martial arts" in a hundred years. No more hiding behind fantasy myths and untested "deadliness." A chance to see, at least one on one, what really works.

Combat athletes are trained competitors that fight within certain parameters they have both agreed to beforehand. People that train for something naturally want to test their level of ability; that is why competition naturally occurs. Every culture since the dawn of time has included combat sporting events both for military training and as a natural extension of individuals wanting to test themselves.

Because you've never competed, you have, I believe, an unclear idea of why athletes compete. Everyone wants to win, but the primary motivation isn't a trophy, you can buy those. You seem to think people compete to stroke their ego. The fact is, 95 percent of all competitors at a large competition will lose. Only one person in each division will get first place. Losing doesn't do much for the ego, but the fighters that lose will compete again. The primary motivation is to test your abilities under pressure, where their are enough rules to keep you from being killed. Jigoro Kano stated that "competition breeds excellence." That's why most athletes compete.

We have things in common to talk about, we just don't agree on most of them. What's wrong with that?


   By marc daoust on Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 12:48 am: Edit Post

WOW!! TIM, YOU SAID EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN TRYING
TO SAY FOR MONTHS,IN ONE POST!!!
(i'm not that good with words!)

so how would be the world of MA without
MMA???
my guess?a bunch of self proclaim masters making money at the expense of naive customers!!!
oh!is that the way it is?
competition is how the world works on every level!


   By Senior V (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 01:22 am: Edit Post

Tim,

A well put eloquent post. Even a touch of humanity. I am sure you understand the art of advantage and have somewhat of a grasp of the art of humanity.

I enjoy disagreeing with you. I think I enjoy agreeing with you (Have we ever agreed? Maybe once or twice - can't remember).

I buy into what you said about testing your skills.

I do not buy into the public display.

I do buy into “competition breeds excellence” as much as I buy into “cooperation breeds excellence.”

However, it is not enough to be excellent. Beavers are excellent at building dams.

The bigger question is - what are you excellent at?

An excellent competitor or an excellent person, which do you think has priority?

I know you do not like to be thorough in response and often choose to pass the hard questions or at least the ones that conflict with your position. Not that I expect a response, but I would enjoy reading how you will squirm around that last question

What about the message UFC sends? And other professional sports? It’s OK to be a self centered ego maniac and if you’re famous or rich you can be as big an arsshole as you want. Many times I deal with rich and famous arssholes (including myself) on business levels, however I will not do as they do to join the club. I will not deviate from my self definition for money (although I do have a lose an wide self definition (the price of being enigmatic).

Theses Orange County values cause other culture to run airplanes into buildings. I saw Real Housewives of Orange County, or whatever it is, and if I thought it was a comedy, I would have shrugged my shoulders but I believe these people to be real. They, like UFC, show the degenerate traits of a sick culture.

What happened to humility and decency? Why is the “anything goes” mentality allowed to flourish? At least the Arabs stand up for decency (albeit their skewed idea of it). Still, at least, they have a line.

And as far as the martial arts go, the majorities I have seen are quite lame. Not because they teach how to compete of even fight, but because that is all they teach.

So an improvement in the martial arts is in the eyes of the beholder.

I think all people that teach power have an obligation to include steering wheels when building racecars.

If not, you breed myopic zealots. IE Daouist


   By Tim on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 06:17 pm: Edit Post

Hey Jack,

Well, I'll try not to squirm around your question (Nice choice of words. You should realize by this stage in your life that you'll get a more favorable response with respect than by being a prick).

What am I excellent at? Well, it depends on your definition of excellence, and what the topic of excellence is. I'm a martial artist and a martial arts teacher (not a pretend wise man fortune cookie philosphy spouting guru) and I've excelled at the martial arts, at least to a certain extent, and I've produced some excellent martial arts students.

Am I an excellent person? Depends who you ask. My wife thinks so but I'll bet most of my old girlfriends will disagree.

Which has priority? Why would they be mutually exclusive?


   By Da Bad Guy (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 10:35 pm: Edit Post

Quite the politician.

I am only a prick on this board, and yes, you are right I pick on you guys too much.

At least I have shown you occasional respect when you make a good point; I can't recall you returning the same gesture.

I knew you would not address the question head on. Why, because it affects your self-definition.

If you look a little deeper (and you do not have to lower your saint like status to using profanity, ala your Jackie dear) you seem to be above self-deprecating humor.

People above having a little laugh at themselves are being defensive. In this case defending your self-definition.

Ironic, as self-definition or character is the crux of this post> It is pivitol to human excellence. Not martial excellence.

What character trait is most important, excellent fighter/competitor or excellent human? (of course you can be both (like me - arr arr arr), but really without getting peeved, if you had to pick one, what would it be?

Your lack of response indicates the obvious.

As far as squirm goes, we are kinda like Hanity and Combs (of course I am Hanity) and you need not be so thin skinned. Most of what I write is shtick. And squirm was not meant in worm like way, but in an uncomfortable way, as I know this invades the wall you have built that guards your psyche. Try softer there. Great kung fu men are sensitive. Yin is superior to yang. Need not be so uppity and prudish, we know you are filled with love, no need to try and fool anyone. your work reveals it. That is what you are threatened by me. I threaten what you love. But not really, as I think what you do is great. I think you are great, I am merely suggesting that you and your martial arts are incomplete in a significant way – building self-definition, not by default, as in practicing technique - but consciously and conscientiously.

People shy away from what they are not good at or do not know and they gravitate towards what they are good at, what they know. I said to others that weapons were not important until I picked one up and came to know it.

I have respect for all the people on this board, even Daoest (poor lost soul), why, because they are either struggling, getting along or succeeding in finding out more about themselves. Life is for learning compadre, and not just learning MA technique. Even if it is at a snails pace (by default). You look for ways to juice your techniques (make them more effective and efficient). I look for ways to juice my big mat techniques. Make my real life social, financial and protective techniques more effective and efficient.

You just do not see how martial art (kung fu) crosses over from martial to social. It’s ok, most do not. You see other things because you have searched for them. If you would search or cross train with social and physical action, the power of knowing (kung fu) would elevate all aspects of your life, social and financial – not just protection.

Completeness id the key – the ability to protect, provide and communicate. Excellence in all three arenas of life is the goal. This happens from a complete understanding of kung fu (Musashi main theme – if you can decipher the code).

Weather you, me or they know it or not, we are all trying to realize how and where we fit, which spoke in the wheel.

You are the technique dude and I am the philosophical/cultural/social dude of martial culture. You are ring and I am street. What we have in common - is our difference.

I once wrote an article titled "United by Individuality.” It was about how there was no need for all International KFSS teacher to be the same.

Remember Jimmy was big on being yourself. “I can never be as good a you as you and you can never be as good a me as me.” (I’m sure you remember). So why after years of training to be individual and unique, would an association think they could standardize the first generation adepts? United by Individuality was our bond. As soon as the individual became common, there went the bond. There went the association.

However, according to my never to be humble opinion (that is why you like me) it is a grave disservice not to include the steering wheel in the base price (did you know that the steering wheel was an option for the early VW Beatles).

I compliment you in this site. You are static - I am dynamic. You are polite and straight. I am cantankerous and shape shifting.

United by Individuality.

You are competitive and I am cooperative.

I am stupid and you are smart, wait a minute... might have got that one backwards.

De-ruffle a bit. You know I love you!

If I didn't, I would not spend so much time leading you to water and trying to force all of yous to drink.

Someday you will say his asswhollyness (me) was frickin right, there is more to MA than technique and comp!

O & X's your everloving Uncie J. Da Bad Guy!


   By DJ (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 11:26 pm: Edit Post

"not a pretend wise man fortune cookie philosphy spouting guru"

Don't you ever call me that agin. I am insulted. Next time I will have to wash your mouth out with soap!

I am going to go and hide now, never to return to this site again. Farthee well o cruel world. Thine quirelitos oh how I tried, to no avail...

The demaoralized Jack. This is where the sad face goes.


   By PS (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 11:30 pm: Edit Post

PS - You got a big ass pass for ownin the ink.

El Jackie Lou.


   By Tim on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 03:52 am: Edit Post

Hey Jack,

"not a pretend wise man fortune cookie philosphy spouting guru"

Easy big guy, that wasn't a direct reference to you, it was a general reference to people that run commercial martial arts schools, teach crap and attempt to cover up their shortcomings with psuedo oriental "wisdom." Don't tell me you've never seen the type. My point was I actually teach martial arts. I don't try to be anyone's daddy or sage.

Thanks for the pass anyway.

I do see how training in the MA carries over into the social. My point is it carries over naturally, like the results of any discipline.

If I didn't respect your opinions, I'd never respond to your questions. My apologies for stooping to the profane.

Optional? How would you drive a car without a steering wheel?


   By Senior Gurugie (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 02:02 pm: Edit Post

"Optional? How would you drive a car without a steering wheel?"

My point exactly. How can you use your power judiciously without civility?

"I do see how training in the MA carries over into the social. My point is it carries over naturally, like the results of any discipline."

You mean by default.

So does learning a language, but if you want more than a basic vocabulary you have focus on it.

"Victory does not lie in winning or losing, but in the building of confidence and character"

Ever heard that one?

regarding the guru comment, yes I thouhght it was aimed at me, and the post was a fun response to it. I choose when to be complimented or insulted. You cannot complimant me if I choose not to let you, the same goes with insults.

With all the kidding and smart ass stuff i write, I could see why you would wnat to sling a little mud/ink.

I didn't and I assume you do not teach all that vodoo technique.

So then you teach stuff that works.

All the more important that you provide a steering wheel for the students.

If the car didn't run (like the vodoo techniques) then the person possesing them is not as dangerous.

If the car runs, races, then the driver should be as highly skilled as the machine (character/power ratio).

I kinda liked it when they introduced me as the international real estate guru.

Also, a meditation adept from China was staying at my ranch and he always called me guru.

That guy was awesome. Went to Burma for six month a year and begged for food and meditated – that’s all he did for six months. Lived in a stick and paper hut he built from whatever he could find.

Comes and lives at my place (rented my guest quarters) and I liked him so much that I built him a custom kuti (covered meditation platform) overlooking the river in back. (I have a 2 acres meditation garden in a coffee plantation).

Anyways I get to know him and find out that he lives the other 6 months of the year in Corona Del Mar. I Lived in Newport at 5202 West Oceanfront for many years in the 80's.

So one day after his regime - hours upon hours of meditation (the sweet spot he'd call it) no electricity, no television, all vegetables and fruit) I was departing for Katmandu and he brought me a bowl of gourmet oatmeal for breakfast and a large bottle of distilled water for the flight. The oatmeal had shredded carrots and broccoli chunks mixed in it with fresh leaf basil and spearmint on top. Best breakfast I ever had.

I come back a few weeks later and he is getting ready to leave in a few days.

He pulls out his laptop (I didn’t know he had one), opens up his trading site and explains to me his strategy for trading stocks, stock and commodity options.

I was blown away, here’s a guys who begs for 6 months a year and he is presiding over his families 10 million plus stock and option portfolio.

He explains his strategy for purchase (says he has never told anyone outside of male members of his family this strategy). It’s called of all things "FITS"

Stands for: Financial Insider Technical Scarcity

I asked if playing the market gave him FITS?

He says that is what the meditation is all about and that no one who supervises this size stock/option portfolio sleeps as well as he does at night. The razor edge mind keeps him from second-guessing and eliminates any extraneous thoughts.

Guru hugh? Hmm...

Jack does guru.


   By Melinda (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 06:37 pm: Edit Post

Jerk,

Take it up offline. Use the following email address:

shenwu@verizon.net

Oh yeah . . . and get a life!


   By Bob #2 on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 12:34 am: Edit Post

that wouldn't serve Jackiphoo's ego.


   By marc daoust on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 03:10 am: Edit Post

tim you rock!
tim is not making a direct reference,
but i am!
jack,you talk about MMA fighter like they are big egos,but all the ones i met were very humble
and down to earth!unlike you!you think you know everything about everything.
but you don't know .martial art is the domaln you know nothing whatsoever about.
you dare to talk about egos.
but even when you change your user name,we can
feel your ego in your writing!you are an
insecure little kid!and your mom is not on this site to tell you how much she loves you!???
if she does???
apprentice,you are like the dump he takes every day,no matter where he goes he craps.
then you come out!


   By Besamehuevosprendita (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 05:21 pm: Edit Post

Is the Qurie jealous?

Dat da boy. The return of the Imatruons! I sure missed em...

If you guys had a life you would have something to talk about beside who won the latest GJS (Glass Jock Strap) Tourney. Was it Hookey Paluka or Billy Bob Rhino?

But you are so miered into the 8-5 gig, there's no way you'd take a chance on livin. What would the neighbors say?

Shaney, I know you love me. Mutual.

Toodles...


   By Shane on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 05:52 pm: Edit Post

delusional folks 'know' lots of things.


   By El V (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 02:54 pm: Edit Post

Mewaaw...

That was a big kiss!

Jackie poo


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