Here is a clip from Crossfit. Freakin Gymnists!

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-video/onearmpull.mpg

wow.
I rememebr on eof jarhead buddies who could do 15-20 one hand pullups but when he went to give blood, he would always faint at the sight of blood!!

Doing 15-20 normal pullups is quite a feat.

My 12 year old son was trying to show me up. I beat him at pushups (30 vs 15), but he beat me at pullups (5 vs 10). It seems my extra body weight is a hindrance to pullups even though it lets me hit harder Guess I should work harder at back development.

Richard,

I'm STILL waiting for that list of Martial arts which are primarily concerned with taking the longest amount of time to defeat an opponent (unlike Wing Chung and Xing Yi).

If you're going to make ludicris statements you should be prepared to provide evidence.

Bob#2

Take a chill pill Bob. Are you a lawyer in real life?

I was just using the standard verbage. Teachers of both Xingyi and WingChun both clearly present the minimum movement/quick defeat approach as main principles of the art. That is not to say that other arts do not have the same goal, but they either put other objections ahead or just don't state it as clearly and emphaticly. For example, I am sure Aikido practitioners want to defeat their opponents quickly, but they typically put the ideal of non-injury as more important.

I've taken plenty of chill pills in my day. Have some great memories of them and have great memories of NOT remembering anything for days at a time.

Are you really sure Aikido practioners typically put non-injury before defeating a dangerous opponent... or are you just trying desperately to sound knowledgeble again?

Nope I'm not a lawyer- there's no reason to start throwing insults around.

Bob#2

Roberto Numero Dos,

I did not say that Aikido practitioners put non-injury before defeating a dangerous opponent. I said they place the ideal of "non-injury" ahead of the ideal of "shortest amount of time to finish the opponent". They might pass up opportunities to stop the confrontation while they wait for an opening that would allow a less damaging technique to be applied. All I am saying is that the emphasis is different.

While you are having this new age discourse in your head during a confrontation, dom you also decide how many pieces you intend to walk away in? Or are you more concerned about how cool your pony-yail looks?

Maybe this was what Seagal was debating when LaBell, literally< choked the piss out of him in 5 seconds.

Due to the Emphasis, I'd have to now re-classify Aiokido to a "Class H" Martial art.

Harmless.

"The man who feels himself the weaker of 2 contenders is the one who will let go of all considerations for others and adopt the extreme of savagery as his only defense." Stephen K. Hayes

Perhaps he should just run instead. Discretion is the better part of valor after all.

I'm curious, was Seagal angry at LaBell afterwards, or did he keep him on the payroll? Any sheepishness on his part?

angry yes- but afraid to not pay what he'd agree to because he couldn't handle another bout with a real fighter.

I've heard several versions of the Segal story, all the same in the important parts. There is also the tale of Stallone and one of the pro boxers he trained with for his movies. S. asked the pro to get more serious as though it were a real match, after two quick blows S. needed a 20 minute break and the boxer was replaced with somebody gentler.

I did recently see an interview with Stallone where he mentioned by name one of the boxers he had trained with. S. related that he asked the man 'In a real match, how long would I last against you?. "You'd be down before the bell stopped vibrating." Stallone didn't seem to think that it was just a boast.

I believe there's a much bigger gap than most people suspect between pros and people who perceive themselves as skilled amatures.

"I believe there's a much bigger gap than most people suspect between pros and people who perceive themselves as skilled amatures."

No doubt about that. It's no different than any other sport.

Bob #2

So why was Gene Lebell so pissed off at Segal?

Does Segal have an iota of martial art skill or was he simply a Hollywood fabrication to begin with?

It seems as though SS has some size on him, couldn't he handle himself in a fight with all those cool Akido skills?

At least he always seems to win his fights in the movies.

Stallone has a real love for boxing and respect for boxers. Did any of you watch The Contender?
Obviously he understands the difference between himself and a real fighter.

Steven Seagal definitely has real knowledge of and skill in Aikido. The debate continues as to whether or not he really deserves his current rank, but the fact is he has studied it for a quite a while now. But the other fact is that he is an actor and spends a lot of time acting and not training. And I would guess that none of his training is focused on realistic fighting anyway.

Maybe if he had a weapon like Chris advocates he could have used his Aikido more effectively

yah.....

So how about those one arm pullups? ;)

Hey B_Rad,

I can't do one arm pullups, can you?

Richard

Not even close Rich!

back to the gym.

I like Steven Segal- especially the way he runs. It takes someone who is very sure of his masculinity to run like that. I've never been pissed at him.

He's got skill, Aikido skill.

Back to those 1-arm pull ups- that is impressive but I want to know if he can sing the Star Spangled Banner while he does them? I doubt it.