Archive through March 15, 2006

Tim's Discussion Board: Off Topic : Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie: Archive through March 15, 2006
   By Bob #2 on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 09:03 pm: Edit Post

he's a bad arve?


   By rollingpix (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 12:08 pm: Edit Post

Cro cop to big? Royce beat frikkin Akebono. Royce's only comp ever us Kazushi Sakuraba who would reun through matt like diarrea.,


   By 3 Hit U (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 03:55 pm: Edit Post

The UFC Fight between Matt Hughes and Royce Gracie is May 6th (UFC 60).

Just letting you know.
I'm from the UK, and going to see it.


   By 3 Hit U (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 03:56 pm: Edit Post

Sorry about that, wrong date.

27th May :-)
There you go, its official.


   By Backarcher on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 08:14 pm: Edit Post

"...Cro cop to big? Royce beat frikkin Akebono."

Come on guys, this isn't 1995.

Yes, Cro Crop is too big. One dimensional fighters, no matter the size, do not have a great space in today's MMA.

Akebono isn't a striker, nor is he a ground grappler. He is just big!

Royce or any other traditional Gracie has never defeated a modern MMA multi-dimensional modern fighter.

People with a lot better takedowns than Royce have trouble taking Cro Crop down. And they didn't even have the striking skills of C.C.

This isn't 1995.

Now, if he would of beat Bob Sapp, who is maybe 150lbs lighter than Akebono, that would of been a different story. Sapp is one dimensional, but he is a good aggressive athlete with lots of fight experience and who nearly killed Antonio Nogueira before being submitted. Nogueira is bigger, stronger, better grappler and striker than Royce.


   By 2ndDBB (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 03:44 am: Edit Post

first of all there is no such thing as a better grappler than royce gracie, they invented grappling. second royce gracie is going to kill matt hughes, in the first or second round. there is no way this fight will stay standing, i don't care what matt hughes said.


   By Backarcher on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 06:17 pm: Edit Post

Royce is not only a nice guy, but he has great spirit.

It's one thing to be a "fan" of Royce and it's another thing to just see things the way they are. Sometimes our love for our heroes clouds our logical perspective.

I know you were just exaggerating, but the entire realization of grappling was only a shock to people who were wearing Ninja suits, practicing Kata and claimed to couldn't do technique alive because it was too dangerous.

Guys like Gene Lebell, Larry Hartsell, Yuri Nakamura, Neil Adams and a million Judokas were submitting guys when Royce was doing his algebra homework.

Rorion had a vision and purpose and he used Royce wisely. He fulfilled it.

Now even Royce is training at Fairtex, world class Muay Thai, for he is beginning to understand, rather late, "evolution".

When Wallid Ismail choked out Royce in his BJJ match, Sperry said Royce's Jujitsu belonged back with the dinosaurs.

I don't agree and I know he was joking, but it was about "evolution".

Again, I trained with Royce. He is a nice guy with a big heart. I hope he doesn't get hurt against Matt. It would be great to see him get a KO.


   By 2ndDBB (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 02:18 am: Edit Post

ok royce gracie is one of the best grapplers in the world. only behind other bjj masters. matt hughes is far from royce in grappling but i think better at stand up. although royce is a black belt in karate and studies muay-thai now. 98 percent of fights end up on the ground, if it does hughes is in a world of trouble. i understand that royces competion in ufc 1-5 was not as good as matt but he did fight a fighter with a record at that time of 250-0 in 3 different arts and defeated him with no problem. royces technique is not based on speed or strength so him being 39 meens nothing. i don't think royce will win because he is a legend, it is because he always has come up big when the odds are against him he loves being the underdog. royce will win i would seriously bet my life. everyone thought he would get killed 1-5 and he laughed at them. i have no problem that people think matt will win but i just don't understand how people could not give royce a chance to win that is just nonsense. i really believe matt hughes will get a grappling lesson. royces last 2 opponents said you must fight him to understand how good he really is.


   By 2ndDBB (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 04:04 am: Edit Post

oh yea hey backacher, Sperry is a idiot. That match against wallid ismail was strictly jit-jitsu with no striking alolowed, it just was not royces day, it would have done him no good to know striking. royces jiu-jitsu does not belong with the dinosaurs, it is the ground game every grappler in the ufc knows or wants to know. just about every submission matt could put royce in, royce knows 50 ways to get out, i can't say the same for matt. this fight will go to the ground at some point plain and simple. 100 percent of both of their fights go to the ground you figure the odds. I don't know that royce knows algebra i think he may only know jiu-jitsu. P.S you did not train under royce so quit. People will take you more serious about your opinion on the fight.


   By Jason M. Struck on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 09:02 am: Edit Post

if matt goes down, do you think he will try to submit Royce? And then Royce will escape? Royce doesn't know any escapes from punches to the face, and MAtt Is a good enough wrestler to return to his posture for another punch or two every time Royce takes it away.

Seriously, BackArcher is right. It's a really different world than 1993, and Matt is a really different fighter from Ron Van Clief.

People might take you more seriously if everything you said was not hyperbole, and you registered, and you didn't insult Backarcher.


   By Backarcher on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 10:49 am: Edit Post

That's cool, Jason.

I wasn't insulted.

I trained with Royce about seven or eight years ago in Port Huron, MI.

I even submitted him! (He let me, of course)

I still can't say enough what type of human being he is. Just excellent.

I wish him luck.


   By Backarcher on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 10:51 am: Edit Post

Oh, Royce does have a chance. Matt Hughes is made for Royce's submissions. I just don't think he'll get the chance. My opinion.


   By 2ndDBB (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 10:40 pm: Edit Post

jason i wasn't speaking of ron van cleife and no this is not 1993 you are right. but when royce is on the ground he is very hard to hit, back then and now. His defnse is just to good, defense is what he is about. i really believe matts only chance is to stand up and bang or win on points, but i still believe royce will use his 4 inch height advatage and use his straight kicks to keep matt at bay not hurt him just keep him away. i respect your opinions, we just have different opinions. i still think royce will win nobody will change my mind. and jason i don't care if you don't take me serious or not i will post when royce puts matt in a triangle choke, just a guess. why don't you think matt will fight him for the belt?


   By 2NDDBB (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 12:00 am: Edit Post

and backarcher i was not trying to piss you off or anything bro, just hard to believe you trained with gracie. Again no disrespect you really seem to be a student of the sport and i like that.


   By Corndog (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 01:31 am: Edit Post

On an unrelated note, Frank Shamrock knocked out Cesar Gracie in 21 seconds Friday night.

http://www.mmafighting.com/results/2006/shamrock_vs_gracie.html

http://www.sherdog.com/news/pictures.asp?n_id=4112


   By Jason M. Struck on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 09:36 am: Edit Post

my point is that Matt will be able to posture up in the guard that Royce will no doubt put him in, and from there will be able to strike (not superbly) enough to end the fight. With the wrestling skills, he's going to be able to keep things moving. It seems as though Royce tries to slow every fight down, and Royce will not have the freedom to determine the pace of the fight as much as he normally does against a better rounded fighter like Hughes.


   By 2ndDBB (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 12:53 pm: Edit Post

I just donn't think that is gonna happen jason,i meen it would not drop my jaw or anything if it did. i really think this fight is a toss up at this point. i just think people tend to not look at matts weakness because he is so strong and just handles people. Truth is if you watch matts fights he has most trouble with grapplers, it is a fact. All 4 of his losses i believe are by a tapout, and lets be honest this will be the best grappler he has ever fought by far. royce can throw you in some if you so much as throw a punch that is an inch off. Again jason i really do respect your opinion bro. royce has been practicing on his striking for the last 5 years, so it's not like he knows nothing about stand up. I really don't think matt will be able to ground and pound bad enough to stop it. You hit royce once out of five times on the ground,and the ground and pound opens you for a lot of submissions.


   By Jason M. Struck on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 01:03 pm: Edit Post

maybe you are right.

can't wait to see though, i think that we all agree on that.


   By 2ndDBB (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 11:21 pm: Edit Post

amen jason


   By marc daoust on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 06:51 pm: Edit Post

royce has the worst take down this world has ever known,there is no way in hell he will take matt
down.matt he's going to rock his world on the feet
and when royce and his clumsy striking skills gets stunned
he will pulled guard (his one and only chance)
he's not going to be able to tap matt and he going
to eat some elbows.
royce is just not enough of a athlete,he could beat guy back in the days because they were clueless
matt is not and he's more experience (at least in the last 10 years.