Have any of you guys ever heard of this style? Can you tell me anything about it?

Many, many moons ago, a young shaolin monk named Wow Bow watched a battle between a monkey and a meteor. He noticed that within an instant, the meteor had torn through the monkey so that nothing but a large, red, furry smear was left. So the monk implemented the straight-line power of the meteor into his punches and experimented on his kung fu brothers, thus creating the meteor style.

He passed his knowledge onto Yuk Fu Pu, who was the teacher of Wang Bang, who taught Pee Wee, who taught Hai Mo Fo. Now Hai looked long and hard throughout China, and finding nobody worthy, made an outsider the receptacle of all his knowledge.

Today, the ONLY place you can learn Meteor style is from the 4th Generation One and Only Highly Exalted Supreme Hyper-Grandmaster of All Supreme Grandmasters Dick Shrebnitz. Anyone else claiming....well, anything is a liar, fraud, felon, goofball, sheepdipper, foreskin fetishist and general ne'er-do-well. Supreme Hyper-Grandmaster Shrebnitz has a certificate (printed on genuine paper), a doctored photo, and a little chinese looking thingy to prove it.

Funny story, but I am serious. I can't find much on it on the internet.

KS,

Are you sure it was not BOW WOW!

Stan, no, that was his wife. Jack, are you sure it is a style and not a nickname?

Yeah, from what little I have been able to find it is supposed to be another "internal" style, but harder than Hsing I. I guess you could also spell it Liu Xing/ Liu Hsing. That is all I know about it and was wondering if anyone had seen it performed or knew of a clip somewhere.

Jack,

"Liu Hsing Ch'uan is a very high level internal style which is seldom taught or demonstrated. if Hsing I Ch'uan appears like a hard external style to the casual obsever, Liu Hsing Ch'uan looks even mroe so by comparison. Hsing-I is straight forward and driving, which leads into the training for Liu Hsing Ch'uan which translates as Shooting Star Fist or Meteor Fist. Liu Hsing trains in explosive power by using resistance exercises. In more recent times, part of the training involves kicking and punching against the resistance of a stretched band made of thick rubber. in Hsing-I Ch'uan the practitioner learns to deliver the chi in a punch or kick. in Liu Hsing Ch'uan, more devistating explosiveness is added as the chi is integrated with intense muscular power. Becasue of the difficulty in transmitting chi through tense muscles, the training provided by Tai Chi, Pa Kua, and Hsing-I is a prerequisite for Liu Hsing.

In Liu Hsing, the chi is circulated continuously through the grand circle of heaven. Ultimately, the practitioner seeks to have all movement directed and guided by the chi throught the subconscious mind. The mind as a separate entity is removed from the equation as all movememnt is subjugated by chi. Before the conscious mind can even recognize the existance of an opening in a fight, the subconscious mind will have already directed and delivered the attack using chi energy. this is the ultimate goal of Liu Hsing"


love john

p.s. GrandMaster Sin Kwang Thè is teaching Liu Hsing in 2007 to members of his school but you must have a pre-req Golden Leopard form and thats happening in about ... a month, so good luck.

This guys got somthin to say and the Kenneth's got Soul guy's gag was dope.

Hey Soul man you say - No, No, No, No I don't post it no more!

Por que amigo?

Sounds like you got the devil wit and somthin to say unlike the drab ass Mitch Miller crowd round here. Bunch of Jealous Jack Haters...

Join the Fracas! You gotta be bored like me but beats frickin TV.

Thanks B.C.E. for the info. I am not a member of shaolin-do though so would not be in master sin's seminar. I was really looking for info about Liu Hsing outside of the shaolin-do community. The only info I can find on it is from shaolin-do.

That may be because Shao-Lin Do could be the only place it's been remembered. Before you continue reading this post let me just clarify that I am not, nor have I ever been a member of Shao-Lin Do.

I have read plenty of negative things about Sin Kwan The' and his lineage. Most people just misread or misquote what he has written. He has never claimed to be the only Shao-Lin Grandmaster teaching today as far as I can tell. He doesn't use the term "grandmaster" to express the one and only head master or head abbott of a temple. His writings say that Su Kong Tai Djin (the hair covered master) was found as an infant near the Fukien temple and raised there. When he reached the point at which most desciples pick a specific area of study or a "Major" if you will, he was allowed to study under all TEN, yes ten of the grandmaster's there at that time. He was well known for his ability to retain the art. It is said that he actually learned a new form each day. When Su Kong finally left the temple he was the only remaining Grandmaster. That might not be the same as head abbott of the temple. Su Kong taught many students after leaving the temple but he only gave the rank of GM to one student. That student, Le Ching Ming taught Sin Kwan The', and his brother. Sin Kwan The' is the only student that he granted the rank of GM to. He was the first student of Shao-Lin lineage to have a tablet erected at the Song Mountain temple. That is the only claim he has made that I've been able to find.

Fact is his Shao-Lin Do, and Chinese Shao-Lin Center schools have more intact forms than any other school I've found. Their primary focus is to retain as much of the material as possible, and to inspire others to learn and pass on this great art. They don't focus on any one area, so other schools can claim that they are "better" at specific things. If you only learn bagua, there are plenty aspects of the training to keep you more than occupied with mastering it. GM The's schools generally spend three months out of every other year teaching bagua. They usually take about one month teaching each individual form to students at the schools and then the students have to practice it on their own time untill it comes around again. That's just the broad based material taught below 2nd black. Most forms are taught in one day seminars and they may not come around again for 1,2,4 or more years.

If you study martial arts only so you can kick peoples ass in a fight, your not going to understand what he is trying to teach. Most people will quit and go take a more specialized art. His schools will teach you,(over time) to process information differently. Most his long time students have turned vegetarian or vegan and strongly support animal rights. They are philosophers, always thinking about the balance of things.

Whatever art you study or school you belong to, Grandmaster The' deserves our respect. He has remembered and taught more forms than any other master teaching. You may think your school or your teacher is better, but GM The' has probably forgot more forms than your teacher has ever seen. It's not just Liu Hsing that you can only learn from him or his schools, he has retained a huge variety of material that seems to be otherwise lost.

All of the monks from Buddhist and Daoist temples alike were run off or killed. China reopened the Shao-Lin temple as a tourist attraction to produce income. The "monks" living and teaching at the temple now are people that the government decided deserved the positions. There are no true students of the Shao-Lin that was at that temple now. If you really want to learn what was taught at the temples before the government ran them, you need to find a teacher who was taught or who's teacher was taught by actual Shao-Lin. I don't know about any better choice than Sin Kwan The'.

Re: "Most forms are taught in one day seminars and they may not come around again for 1,2,4 or more years."

If this is true, I find it hard to see the value of learning a form that way. Most students don't do something martial particularly well unless taught at a pace that suits them and provides the opportunity for feed-back over weeks, if not months.

For someone claiming not to be a student of Sin The you sure seem to be promoting his hype. In all honesty, Sin The only learned about 300 forms total and only officially got to the rank of 5th degree. The Hua system was probaly the last thing he taught that he actually learned in Indonesia. Everything else, I suspect, comes from books or videos.

In Liu Hsing, the chi is circulated continuously through the grand circle of heaven. Ultimately, the practitioner seeks to have all movement directed and guided by the chi throught the subconscious mind. The mind as a separate entity is removed from the equation as all movememnt is subjugated by chi. Before the conscious mind can even recognize the existance of an opening in a fight, the subconscious mind will have already directed and delivered the attack using chi energy. this is the ultimate goal of Liu Hsing"



no offense, but that is the same story i always hear with every single INTERNAL martial art i have encountered.

If you do a search for Wong Kiew Kit who is based in Malaysia you will be able to e-mail him and ask about it. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of Shaolin.

only 300 forms!
what's up with him,does he sleep like,6 hours a day or something?
"the mind as a seperate entity is remove from the equation"
AAAA you should keep going to the meetings!

ps. what the hell are you guys talking about?
is this a fantasy you guys are having again?

I have studied at Shaolin-Do Schools, they have a set standard of things that you are required to learn to progress further. The only things that are taught once every couple years are forms outside the base curriculum, however; if one of the other Sifu know the form you can usually convince them to show it to you if they believe you are ready to learn it.

The majority of you have absolutely no idea what you are attempting to discuss. You are attempting to belittle a man you only know through vague internet websites that are beyond inept.

Personally, I enjoy the forms taught to me and enjoy learning a vast amount of forms. However; the majority of Shaolin-Do is what goes on between learning forms. The forms don't matter except as an exercise. What matters is the application of the exercise...

Train or shut your hole.

As for Liu Shing, the system is used as a training excerise to augment other practices. It itself is not a "martial art" in the usual sense. It is a method for enhancing your training to a new level like its prereqs.

i hope i'll never be ready for a form!
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!lets do some forms!!?
because the opponent is always where you want him
to be,and he always does want you want him to do,
at the moment you want him to do it!
and that is why forms are so effective!!!

ps.a shapeless object can be put in any shape or form,but a formed and molded thing will only be what it was molded to be!!!!
that was a quote from Marcusio daousiastos,
a great philosopher from the 21'st century!!!

Forms are learned to show your body what it is capable of. I'll repeat my prior statement so it sinks in more: "The forms don't matter except as an exercise. What matters is the application of the exercise." The forms are simply a selection of representative moves. They are a graceful set of things you can do. Learn them and it opens your body to knew possibilities you had before you learned them. The form itself is worthless. You are correct you can't use a form in combat. However, a form is nothing but a chain movements. Each movement can be used outside of the form. For each new movement your body learns you now have a new method of attack or defense.

The close minded individual views forms as a waste of time. If you stopped to think about it you would see they cannot hurt your training but only help you make progress.

The rest of our training is bag work, conditioning, up to 3 person (so far for me) sparring, and iron training.

Your own quote works against you. A shapeless object can put into any shape or form but that is impossible to accomplish unless it knows of a form to assume. Consider the forms much like a mnemonic device. Its a physical way to remember things that are much more complicated. In school they will teach you to take something difficult and break it down into something you can remember, a set of letters maybe. This is the same thing. It even works the same way as the Tao Te Jing. If you want people to remember something for a long time, write it as a song.

Shao,

I too have studied at Shaolin-do schools for years and know Sin and his brother Hiang. So I do know what I am talking about. The stuff he has taught in the last 10 years or so didn't come from his time in Indonesia. Over all I really think the core content is good and you can learn to fight, if practiced right and if you spar enough. I do like the older core forms too and find them very benificial.

Originally, I just wanted to know about Liu Hsing since I am not a member anymore. I had heard about it for years but figured it was just more BS.

STL,

I wasn't exactly refering to your comments. As for Liu Hsing itself if you know Sin I'd talk to him about it. Chi arts are usually good concepts hidden in a ton of B.S. Just like any martial art its all about how it is applied.