Im sure you guys know me by now and the many fight and altercation stories I always have cause I get in them once a month or so. Anyway here is a story that just happened to me after I decided to go for a stroll after working out in a boxing gym for a bit. Two guys, one Mexican and one white, both of whom looked like the typical L.A gangbanger with hat siodeways, baggy clothes, mustahce, slanted eyes, etc. were walking in front of me (well one was riding a bike) and I could smell or feel they were toruble before I even got close, like they were looking for a victim or to bully someone. One of them points at me or flips me off or osmething so I call them up on it and start walking toward them. They start getting tough and claim theyw erent aiming at me or somehting so I say "ok thats cool" and I wanted to part ways than, but just a second after that the one in the bike said He could knock me out or he would or something and I say "you cant knock me out" than he goes "what" and we end up agreeing to go one on one in a dark alley behind a movie theatre casue I say "yea right two against one".

Than as I walk toward the Mexican, he starts abcking out saying "why do you want to fight" or "you look toot ough for me" and I feel bad and start apologising and saying I thought his friend flipped me off and he kept saying why i was copming at him like that or something. Anyway after tlaking to him for like 6 minutes I turn my eye just for the slightest second as Im about to leave and get sucked punched right in the nose. I knew than that if I stayed there I would have lost the fight cause he hit me so hard I felt like my nose was mumified and I think I ahd some tear sin my eyes form the shock of the impact. Anyway depsite this I still came at him a bit but he kept running away and circling around me, than his friend (who promised not to interfer) all of a sudden started running at me. I knew right there and than Im in a desperate situationm against two thugs possibly with weapons in a dark alley, while being dazed and in a crappy state after the sucker punch. So I throw a hook at the white guy running at me that misses and htis the air in front of him (wasnt really aiming at him just to get him away from me). And he pulls out a flashlight and tells his friend hes gonmna sue it against me.

At this moment I circle back away form the dark alley into where people are in front of the theatre, and start running for my car casue I remember I have weapons there (claw hammer and knife), right there and than I had so much anger in me I was ready to commit two ****cides and had picture sin my ehad of stabbing them over and over again. As I ran I saw them riding bikes really fast away form me, and kept looking for them but to no avail (I was planning on using my car as a weapon as well). I got out and in houses that had bike sin front of them knocke don the door pretending to be asking for someone who lives there to see whose inside.

I was heading their way anyway so even if I stayed quiet they were stopping and I think waiting for me to satrt crap with me, so thats why i said things cause I knew it was inevitable as I was gonna cross them anyway. And they started using violent language first and postering, al I did was ask them or call them up on the hand gesture, if they werent agressive they could have just said it was a misunderstanding and isntead of staying and posturing and threatening me, walked away.

I learned a few things form this:
1. Never expect it to be a fair fight, one on one with no wepaons,d espite whats promised.
2. Never turn your back to the other guy or hsi friend even for a split second or when your leaving.
3. Dont leave first but wait for the other guy to leave first.
4. Dont back out even if you realize you were wrong or for whatever reason backing out of your stance will add confidence to him no matter if he himself started backing otu first.
5. Attack right away, and dont even wait for them to attack first or engage in conversation (why tai chi sucks for combat).
6. Carry a concealed weapon or look for weapons on the gorund to use in such situations before an engagement cause theyll use wepaons if they have them.
7. if you attack them dont let up an stop hitting till theyre defeated (I keep telling myself this but always make the same msitake).
8. throw the attakc/punch first. generally who throws the firs tpunch wins the fight.
9. Boxing training is inferior to good streetfighting and dirty tactics, and unless you have the killer isntinct to keep punching after throwing that one punch.

I think the big lesson you should have learned is why care if two brat kids are talking ••••. If you would have just shunned their meaningless childish shenanigans none of this would have happened. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't think twice to use a weapon in such a bad situation, but you shouldn't have even gotten into that ridiculousness. If you’re going to kill someone you should be sure you had too, and that situation sure doesn’t sound to me like you had too. Maybe anger management would be better then boxing lessons.

-Chris

I've learned some things too:

1- never be an ••••••• to two guys (because one or both of them may be able to kick your ass)

2- if neglecting #1, never agree to fight either of them in a dark alley.

3- if neglecting #1 & #2, never start crying.

4- if neglecting 1,2 & 3, as you run to your car in tears and see them riding away on their BICYCLES(??) never be stupid enough to race to a PC and brag about how you handled yourself on a discussion board where most folks actually exhibit and admire good character.

Bob#2
(bicycles-! you neglected to mention those gangbanger thugs were 10 years old)

enforcer,

im simply amazed at how bad you are at avoiding trouble. lmao, thank god they did'nt sucker "stab" you, it does happen, you could very well be dead right now.

and i think its funny that you guys "agreed" to fight somewhere.

im curious, where do you live?

and dont worry about running from two unarmed kids, im sure they were highly trained and super duper strong. hahaha

just be glad that there was no trouble and no one got hurt. other than that i guess the only thing left for me to say is,

big deal... let it go.

or maybe just hang yourself before they come back with their older sister

Good on ya Enforcer,

You learn't some good lessons, at a fairly low cost. It really does expose the folly of competition fighting as preperation for real fights, in so far as you will rarely expect it coming and won't have time to prepare. I think you're list of lessons are good ones; when it comes down to it you're only chance of defeating a good street fighter is not with silly martial arts techniques but basically by getting more violent than your attacker(s).

A nice concealed weapon is a heavy coin tied up in hankerchief.

Enforcer you said "Boxing training is inferior to good streetfighting"

What is good streetfighting?

alienpig,

enforcers number 2,3,4,5,7,8 are exactly what you learn when you are a a competition fighter.

enforcer does traditional martial arts and gets his ass kicked, and that is your proof competition fighting won't work in the street?

No one can "proove" that competition fighting won't benefit. The word "proof" is a technical term used in mathematics to indicate that one statement "the conclusion" has followed from others by appeal to axioms and rules of inference. The term is generally is not even applied in natural science. What I think you mean is what reason do I have for thinking that competition fighting doesn't benefit street fighting. Perhaps some aspects of competiton fighting would benefit, but there are at least three major reasons why competition fighting won't help.

1) Real violence is lacking in competition fighting.

2) Ban on illegal techniques.

3) related to 1 and 2, On the street, you rarely see it coming and your usually outnumbered.

In order to win on the street, you can't hold back or be merciful, you've got to snap elbows and pluck out their eyes. None of that grappling stuff will work, while your busy grappling theire mates are hitting you in the head with a bottle.

Oh. When I used to kickbox in the ring the punches to my face and kicks to my legs felt pretty real.

How do you practice plucking out eyes? Im assuming you are speaking from experience because of your confident tone. How many eye balls have you plucked out?

Thanks.

"I think the big lesson you should have learned is why care if two brat kids are talking ••••. If you would have just shunned their meaningless childish shenanigans none of this would have happened. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't think twice to use a weapon in such a bad situation, but you shouldn't have even gotten into that ridiculousness. If you’re going to kill someone you should be sure you had too, and that situation sure doesn’t sound to me like you had too. Maybe anger management would be better then boxing lessons.
"

they werent just kids, they were well into their 20s. And I wasnt shure if one of them flipped me off or if he put a gang sign at me, but I started tlaking cause I knew it was inavetible (confrontation) and felt if I put up a stand first rather than wait for a reaction It would have went better, and less like a punk.

what I also forgot to mention was that I agreed to fight the Mexican in the dark alley and willingly went there after he said he could knock me out. Which was a msitake casue I felt laot of fear as I was approaching him knowing they could be carrying a knife or a gun (any of them it would be bad news). Also before I even started saying anything regarding the gang sign they if I remember right were already kind of turned around and waiting for me.

"3- if neglecting #1 & #2, never start crying. "

I wasnt crying,m when I said tear sin my eyes I meant like after getting punched in the nsoe your body reacts a certian way to it and your nose kind of become numb while you feel stunned and some tears automatically ocme out, its hard to explain but it pretty much took the fight out of me.

"enforcer does traditional martial arts and gets his ass kicked, and that is your proof competition fighting won't work in the street?"

I dont do traditional ma, I train boxiong exclusively. i actually do in the sparring ring but I have learned streetfighting is alot different, when sparring or even competitive fighting you and the opponent are both calm and you exchange a few punches here and there, stick and move, and basically dont throw super hard punches cause you dont want to get hit and tire out. On the other hand in a streetfight the other person often in order to rpeserve themselves if they feel threatened they will fight with a superhuman effort and be able tot ake your punches and keep going at you like they're on pcp, and often unless you ahve alot of streetfighting experience you will tery to end it as soon as piossible and start panicking its not ending fast and will start fighting liek they are and turning intoa haymaker machine. Also, those other guys I fought moved alot nad it was impossible for me to even land a punch on top of it if I had stayed and fought I am willing to bet I would have been sucked punched by the other guy during it while turned away from them if not tackled.

In a previous fight I got into I punched a guy than afterwards put him in a hold that always worked in a muay thai clinch class I used to take where I put one arm udner their armpit and connect it to the other hand which arm is around their neck which i can choke them or make them fall to the gorund in (in prison break it was demonstrated I think in one of the last episodes by michael). And the guy fought with such a superhumane ffort he actually got out of it and bent forward and I coudlnt even hold onto him he was so hard to handle. This guy probably didnt take a ma class in his entire life and probably doesnt even excersise much but I knew form the get go how much ahrder it was than in a sparring or sport match.

It really doesnt matter if you can throw clean boxing punches or haymakers, often the haymakers are just as fast and hard to handle and if on target will hurt you. On top of it the good boxing punches wont necessairly land either as there is alot more room to move in an alley than a boxing ring, and their head seems to move alot more too on top of you having less surface area to hit with your hand and have to have greater accuracy.

"Oh. When I used to kickbox in the ring the punches to my face and kicks to my legs felt pretty real.

How do you practice plucking out eyes? Im assuming you are speaking from experience because of your confident tone. How many eye balls have you plucked out?"

but have you ever been sucker punched where you couldnt even feel halfof your face for a couple of minutes?

"You learn't some good lessons, at a fairly low cost. It really does expose the folly of competition fighting as preperation for real fights, in so far as you will rarely expect it coming and won't have time to prepare. I think you're list of lessons are good ones; when it comes down to it you're only chance of defeating a good street fighter is not with silly martial arts techniques but basically by getting more violent than your attacker(s)."

alienping I totally agree, I have a friend (who i mentioned here before) who has beaten people bigger and stronger than him, with pure agressiveness (where often they didnt even fight back and ended up laid out on the ground), and he always throws the first punch. Even against multiple people he doesnt hesitate and if he has a beer bottle handy or anythign hell use it. This guy hasnt trained a day in his life.

the only fights I actually ever won or the only times I ever felt satisfied after a street altercation happened twice. once was before I even trained at all and I got ionto a haymaker fest where I actually threw one straight punch which perfectly landed on the guys nose and bloodied it up. And the other time was on instinct where I isntinctly put the guy in a rear nakid choke without having to have trained it or much ma. i actually think sport training made me worse of a fighter sometimes. I know alot of techniques but due to inhibitions I cant pull them off while I could before training.

Why do you think certian people always win fights no matter what, while others no matter how trained don't? its all about mental, if you have fear at all you wont fight the way your trained and will fight crappily anyway.

Re; Plucking out eye's

I don't literally mean "remove eyeball from socket" poking in the eyes is sufficient to end most training sessions uncerimoniously, actually, if you want to get all technical, poke just bellow the eyeball, not on the eyeball, go for the eyesocket bit where there is skin, just below the eyeball. another spot is just above the eyeball. I've had that done to me, it causes the eye to either role up, or down in the head. Whilst it does no real physical damage to the eye, if its been done to you, u see a white glare.. its weird and it F's u up for a while.

You don't really need to train in these things, just have a bit of intention, its not really different from punching people in the face. Also, don't use straight ir locked fingers, use a claw like shape.

Finally brushing lightly, laterally across the eye is nasty, even if you don't have finger nails.

Elliot,

"... you said "Boxing training is inferior to good streetfighting What is good streetfighting?"

Boxing - I punch you, you punch me, we bleed then go home.

Streetfighting - I go to punch you, you stab me in the neck, I die - you run away.

...or I punch you in the nose, you start crying, drive home and log in.

I meant a clean boxer who isnt experienced in dirty tactics and isnt a professional fighting machine, will most likely lose in a streetfight, thats whaty I meant. Cause he wont expect to be blindsided liek that or have guys bust out weapons on him.