in regards to both prison life (what I read and the people who I hanged out with who told me) as well as fight scenes and brutality of real fighting is a movie called Felon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr0zDhqfOVo

I truly recommend it. It talks about the woods and the power struggles in there etc. and shows how easily you can get from being on top to being jumped or shanked by a bunch of former "friends" in a split second. Ive been in numerous situations like the character in this movie in real life through my associations with such people. The movie is real powerful as it shows Van Cilmer's character was never broken by the guards and their threats/tortures even at the end.

it's based on gladiator school in Corocan that took place:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/06/09/prison.gladiator/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/04/06/60II/main41867.shtml


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWdmXWwFIVo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqltLrC-1P0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNMIQfh8wIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3fu-aDYJDo

last scene I put on has a bit of a pause at beginning.

Back from being down.
This movie is bull.
the tattoos and cages are nice.
Fights in jail are made by suprise and brute force with a weapon usually a stabbin or cutting type.
In prison shanks and tomahawks (small slashing) weapons are used. The survival skill of being able to kester a weapon (contain it in your rectal cavity) is unique to the prison community.
Fist and throws and technique are rarely used between convicts of different affiliations, sometimes among inner group conflicts. The purpose of attacking another Con is to kill, not mame not hurt. A winner is determined if the loser get life flighted out over the walls or not.

As for Gladiator school think of it like this. The California prisons are one third black, one third hispanic and one third white whith a smatering of others. This creates an ongoing dynamic of three groups always bidding for power over the yard. No other prison population in world has this particular mix of races.The drug trade is very profitable and people kill over it. Segration in California has been the norm since the 1960's.
Other states in the US all have a dominent population that is able to control the groups.
The federal goverment has mandated by law that California desegregate the prison system just like the rest of the nation.
California has attempted to desegrgate several times. This always causes convicts to fight members outside of their racial group. The warden also has a duty to protect convicts from being preyed apon. Knowing this when housing prisoners from separate groups it would be dangerous to put a small weak person with a large muscular cellie. The large bunkie will as a matter of rule explote or kill the smaller cellie if he is outside his group. Lawyers of the dead will emphasize the fact that the smaller person was placed in harms way by the gaurds.
To prevent these lawsuits and deaths gaurds must consider heigt and weight- gang affiliations, fighting ablity potential for violence, and mabey even reach when housing convicts. This is to lessen the chance of the bigger taking advantage of the smaller.
In making these housing assignments considering all the factors it can easiy appear to an outsider that the gaurds are pitting felons against each other, for an even match.
The entire sytem is in a catch 22.

Oh yeah I almost forgot!
BOB#2
the warden says hi, good luck on your transfer to Georgia.
And also Bubba really misses you.

your BOB affiliate
TCB

medium and max sec prisons are gladiator schools, watch the Troy Kell documentary. He said he fought a lot in that documentary to not be raped. ANyway this is a documented case of Corocan and how it unfolded. It's a true story and the main character whose story this is based on was witht he director who filmed the movie overseeying.

"To prevent these lawsuits and deaths gaurds must consider heigt and weight- gang affiliations, fighting ablity potential for violence, and mabey even reach when housing convicts. This is to lessen the chance of the bigger taking advantage of the smaller.
In making these housing assignments considering all the factors it can easiy appear to an outsider that the gaurds are pitting felons against each other, for an even match.
The entire sytem is in a catch 22."

In Corocan they sued a boody bandit:
http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws153.htm

"Corcoran is probably the most brutal of all of California's prisons, a state that leads the nation in the rush to incarcerate ever greater numbers of people in increasingly harsh conditions. Nowhere in the world is the prison population rising faster than in California. In December of 1998, the Atlantic Monthly reported that in just 20 years the inmate population in the state had grown from 19,600 to 159,000 - an eight-fold increase - and that the "state holds more inmates in its jails and prisons than do France, Great Britain, Germany, Japan, Singapore, and the Netherlands combined."
These numbers are expected to increase rapidly in the next few years. The Los Angeles Times reported on August 16, 1999 that California is in the midst of the nation's largest prison building program. This $5 billion plan is scheduled to give the state an additional 64,000 prison beds. The key role that the prison system increasingly plays in US social policy, particularly in the state of California, can be judged from a report by the Justice Policy Institute - from October 1996 - which stated: "From 1984 to 1994, California built 21 prisons, and only one state university ... the prison system realized a 209% increase in funding, compared to a 15% increase in state university funding."
And yet even within the vastness of California's penal system, Corcoran State Prison managed to stand out. It first attained notoriety a few years ago when allegations began surfacing that guards at the prison had forced prisoners to stage 'gladiator' fights in the prison yard, and that these same guards had regularly shot those prisoners who did not perform adequately. Amnesty International has reported that at least seven prisoners were shot dead at these fights. Esquire magazine added, in September of 1999, that "forty three more Corcoran prisoners were shot and seriously wounded, some paralyzed."
Other reports on Corcoran tell of the prison's so-called 'Booty Bandit,' a very large and sadistically violent inmate. There have been repeated allegations of guards 'disciplining' other inmates by locking them up for a few nights with the 'Booty Bandit,' with the full knowledge and expectation that the inmate would be repeatedly raped and beaten. Other witnesses have charged that new arrivals at the prison were routinely forced to run a gauntlet of prison guards, who savagely beat, kicked and clubbed the new inmates as an initiation into the prison.
All of this was rather candidly acknowledged in the Esquire piece by former Corcoran guard Roscoe Pondexter, the most feared and respected of the prison's guards, nicknamed 'Bonecrusher.' Interviewed for the article, Pondexter candidly admits that all such activities were indeed standard procedure at the prison, and that he was an active participant. The article also notes that "after each killing, an internal review board would determine that the use of force was necessary, that the shooting had been a 'good shoot,' and then things would carry on as usual."
Also included was a rather chilling quote from Pondexter concerning the attitude among the guards and the atmosphere of brutality at the prison: "It didn't matter to us. Who we killed, who was killed. It didn't matter and everybody got cleared." Pondexter was at the time of this article scheduled to appear to offer this testimony in a series of suits brought by Corcoran inmates. Suits very much like that of Ronnie Dewberry, who had alleged that he was wounded when shots were fired after he was placed in the prison yard with his known enemies and a fight ensued. "

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/corcoran.htm

sure his story is one version. I'm sure it is true to his preception.

The thread is about how real the fighting is. Not if prisons are violent. They are violent all over the world.
the clips you presented are very nice fights with flips and technique.
The fights I know usually invole a punch or two, kicking to head while a guy is down and more commonly weapons. All suprise brute force attacks never one one if outside the cell.
Don't need to read yopur articles, court reports or watch you movie, like I said I just got back from being down.
So when I see you on the yard, you can tell me all about how mean the gaurds are.

Fighting not to be raped in prison is not unique to the USA or Cocran or California, and does not add up to Gladiator school.

unsegregated hoiusing mandated by the federal goverments sets up both the gaurds and convicts. Damed if you do and damed if yoou don't.

human nauture exemplified in the Stanford Prison Experiment is what happinns in jails and prisons around the world.
A disgruntled employee justfing his own brutality by pointing a finger of blame to others to lessen his guilt only brings this to light.

I guess the lawful route for battery on a gaurd would have been to sentnce the prisoner to more time at the tax payers exspense.

On June 10, the Los Angeles Times reported that: "Eight Corcoran prison guards accused of setting up inmate gladiator fights were acquitted Friday of federal civil rights abuses

Following Dewberry's attempted presentation of evidence, the state's attorney moved that the charges be dismissed, and the judge concurred

Gaurds accused of domestic violence offences are automatically relived of duty, permanateley

entire movie is available on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bl5fdhCyOA&feature=related

http://www.myrtlebeachherald.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=1&twindow=&mad=&sde tail=9009&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&re type=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1072&hn=myrtlebeachheral d&he=.com

enforcer,

you are such a poser.

you wouldnt last a day in prison, let alone county jail.

get a life, and quit daydreaming about being some elite mobster with street cred, its not gonna happen. ever.

Robert,

You will never ever be a Tummo G no matter how hard you flap your legs in the lotus position, EVAH!!! Tummo wanksta.

Who knows robert, maybe Id make a good convict. I might be like kind of invisible and left to be while obverving and learning from my surroundings. Im more prepared than a lot of people because of all the research ive done on prison and prison politics.

on enforcer's first day of prision he enters his cell to meet his gigantic cell mate, leon. leon glares at enforcer and says "we gonna play house, you wanna be the mamma or the daddy?"

enforcer, having done a bunch of research on prison and it politics, replies "i'll be the daddy"

leon says "great, daddy now come over here and choke on mommie's cock!"

Bob#2

Bob #2, me mato con el comentario!!! LMAO

Enforcer you should open a Prep School for Prison.

i intended to use type the ending word as "C**K" but i guess the fever of the moment got to me.

Enforcer,

why do you want to be a convict?

Let me guess.... You think its cool?


Enforcer, i sense that you dont believe in your mental capabilities.

Why not strive to be something of worth?


I know for a fact that convicts, have VERY SHORT life expectancies.

"The fights I know usually invole a punch or two, kicking to head while a guy is down and more commonly weapons. All suprise brute force attacks never one one if outside the cell. "

not the ab though. They stab and sometime kill inmates in front of all other prisoners and guards. Even outnumbered they attacked rival gang members and won just read this:
http://www.streetgangs.com/topics/2005/020405ab.html

"Typical is a meticulously planned rampage following weeks of racial violence in the federal pen at Marion, Illinois. Brotherhood leaders there had issued a “formal declaration of war” and used coded phone calls and messages written in invisible ink (some utilizing a subtle double alphabet invented in 1652 by the philosopher Sir Francis Bacon) to issue war directives to other AB members and associates in the federal pen at Lewisburg, Pennsylvania. On August 28, 1997, four AB assassins slipped into a cell block and fanned out across the tiers in a coordinated attack, stabbing to death two inmates and severely wounding four others. Nearly all the victims were members of the AB’s nemesis, the D.C. Blacks. The attack was brazen, committed in full view of guards, inmates and security cameras."

that's 4 against 6 if not more. How is it possible to achieve such unbreakable mental state of no fear doubt?

Start practicing your forward bends and the splits, Enforcer!

They most likely had nothing to lose, perhaps they were serving life terms already...

And they were probably on drugs.