Brain yoga?

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   By edmund kim on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 03:34 am: Edit Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSwhpF9iJSs


   By Andy Maher on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 06:24 pm: Edit Post

Hucksters. Grabbing your ears doesn't make the exercise based on acupuncture. Squatting doesn't equate to yoga. This does clearly show the intelligence of the creator of this system to sell books and make stupid people do funny squats. LOL at the "scientific studies" that show it works.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7167049/Super-Brain-Yoga-Research-Study
Guess what? Doing a new activity stimulates the brain.

I know how to increase grades of kids and increase their intelligence...Make them read, feed them real food, and make them play outside instead of playing video games all day.

This has made me consider starting a new therapy. Slapping therapy. Since all the yang meridians go through the face I will slap my client's face to stimulate said meridians, increase vascular flow, and stimulate the nerves. This will be a boon for their health and will move any stagnation that have accumulated by being coddled for too long. It also will relieve stress. My stress.


   By robert on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 06:29 pm: Edit Post

I find that almost indescribably awesome. In many ways.

No need for drugs, its helping people, and it gives credit to physiological exercise, and on top of that its simple.

Its good to see eastern and western medicine work together.


   By Andy Maher on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 06:58 pm: Edit Post

Prove to me that it is helping. A couple of cases where a kid gets better grades? That isn't "scientific" as they claim. There are a myriad of things that can effect the intelligence of a kid. Maybe they are studying more. Maybe their parents aren't fighting as much, maybe the aren't drinking a 12 pack of diet rite a day. The advocates of the system are attributing any positive divergence to squatting and holding their ears. And let's be clear, holding your ears does NOT make something based on acupuncture. Squatting does NOT mean yoga. They are attributing kooky things to acupuncture and yoga in order to give the impression that squatting and holding ears has some foundation. This is the sort of bs that gives acupuncture, yoga, qi gong etc a bad name.


   By Tim on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 09:50 pm: Edit Post

The hold your ears qigong exercise is originally found in "Secret Fighting Arts of the World" by John F. GIlby (Robert W. Smith's spoof book on martial arts).

I like the idea of "Slapping Therapy." I think it's one of the reasons Larry and Curly were so healthy.


   By Shane on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 01:58 pm: Edit Post

recently, on Howard Stern, they broadcast a series of interviews with Moe and then Larry (both were very old at the time)-

Moe mentioned that Curley had a hard time remembering his lines- whenever he lost the line he would fall on the floor and spin around until it came to him.


   By robert on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 04:33 pm: Edit Post

Wasnt there scientific proof in the brain scans?


   By robert on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 04:34 pm: Edit Post

"Hucksters. Grabbing your ears doesn't make the exercise based on acupuncture. Squatting doesn't equate to yoga. This does clearly show the intelligence of the creator of this system to sell books and make stupid people do funny squats. LOL at the "scientific studies" that show it works.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7167049/Super-Brain-Yoga-Research-Study
Guess what? Doing a new activity stimulates the brain.

I know how to increase grades of kids and increase their intelligence...Make them read, feed them real food, and make them play outside instead of playing video games all day.

This has made me consider starting a new therapy. Slapping therapy. Since all the yang meridians go through the face I will slap my client's face to stimulate said meridians, increase vascular flow, and stimulate the nerves. This will be a boon for their health and will move any stagnation that have accumulated by being coddled for too long. It also will relieve stress. My stress."


Well, im not as pessimistic as some people...

Hey Andy maher, would by any chance you be related to john maher? GRAVITY STAY THE HEEEELLLL AWAY FROM MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Good luck getting mentally challenged autistic kids to play and read.

If its helping then they should keep doing it, period.

People dont need negative to come and tear down their hope.

And im sure you dont have any real evidence to refute the fact either.

Its nothing more then a breathing exercise. And they do help.


   By Tim on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 12:43 am: Edit Post

I also saw a Stoogeologist once on a talk show and he said Curly would also make his now famous sound effects whenever he forgot a line. At first they kept redoing the scenes until they realized Curly making funny noises and spinning on the floor was much funnier than the original script.

I don't talk about it much, but I credit the Stooges with much of my literary ability:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Pk1UYkB3I


   By Andy Maher on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 01:28 pm: Edit Post

Robert, first don't mistake pessimism for logic. Secondly, I agree with you that if someone finds benefit from holding their ears and squatting then they should, be all means, continue the exercise. The placebo effect is after all, an effect. That shouldn't be extrapolated out to mean that something will work for everyone or that the cause of the benefit is from the exercise itself or simply the belief in the exercise.

It is not on me to prove anything. Contrary to what they have written, they have not proved anything scientifically. They are the ones making the claims and not proving it. Thus the ball is in their court, not mine to prove that this works. If they conduct a proper study, which wouldn't be hard at all, then we can talk about what mistakes may or may not have been made in the study that skewed or didn't skew the answers one way or another. Then a person could build a more appropriate study to test those parameters and see if it changes the outcome...Science.

Robert I assume you read the "scientific study" I posted. It isn't scientific. Testing a couple people doesn't constitute a scientific study. This "study" dealt with about 4 people that they hooked up to an EEG. No matter what results come out of it, it isn't statistically significant. They provided no outline of their study, no controls, no hypothesis, no summary of results other than areas of their brain light up. Here is an example of what a real scientific study looks like:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/85/6/1586

You state that it is nothing more than a breathing exercise. I agree. You state that breathing exercises do help. I agree that breathing exercises can help people's health. I don't agree that breathing will heal congenital problems such as autism or mental retardation. Your statement is too general to be correct. If I extrapolate out, breathing exercises can help anything. This simply isn't true.

Let me clarify my main point. Just because their may be acupuncture points in the ears and you grab your ears, doesn't mean that you are doing acupuncture. Just because yoga may have a squat in it doesn't mean that when you squat you are doing yoga. This group is making claims that are untrue in regard to acupuncture and yoga in order to give force to their system. This denigrates the real systems of acupuncture and yoga just as a "master" waving his arms at his martial arts students and them falling down from his miraculous qi power brings down qigong and IMA. Qigong, Yoga, Acupuncture etc can have positive effects but for some reason people especially in the west attribute all sorts of fantastical, magical bs to these things that was never a part of it. They make grossly exaggerated claims as to the effects and when the true effects don't match up to the exaggerated ones, these things get labeled as baloney. I am pointing these things out in defense of the arts.

By the way, I should note that on first glance it appears that Choa Cok Sui has done some positive work in some of his foundational work (feeding starving people). Additionally, it should be noted that although it is not mentioned on any of the pranic healing pages or super brain yoga pages that he died in March of 2007. Maybe he wrote this book (that contains the one single exercise) before he died. My feeling is that this is more profiteering from a legacy of profiteering.


   By robert on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 11:38 pm: Edit Post

Well i hope that profiteering isnt that case here, but its possible.

I can also see how fraudulent teachings can have a negative backlash on true teachings, that is a good point.

Well, i just thought it was cool. But its true, that true yoga systems are much more in depth then one single excercise.

Hopefully this shines a good light, rather then a bad one, on yoga, and physiological excercise in general.


   By Willis on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 11:59 pm: Edit Post

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   By robert on Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 04:57 am: Edit Post

westerners...


   By Willis on Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 03:12 pm: Edit Post

Westerners are an enlightened group. Less cultural baggage holding them down.


   By robert on Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 05:14 pm: Edit Post

Last i checked, pop culture, mainstream media, and corporate greed leads to enlightenment.

Who needs culture when you have the internet?

It seems the east can learn much from us.


   By Tai Chi BOB on Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 02:43 am: Edit Post

The clip says it all in the end "super brain yoga is a NO BRAINER"


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