does anyone have informations on this style of xinyi? i have already read chinafrominside and xinyihk page but i want some more, so maybe it is possible to find the website of this japanese magazine U-shu, does anyone know the weblink? if anyone has informations thank you

It is only a matter of opinion that Xinyi liuhe quan is a "style" of Xing Yi. The term is an accurate description of any school of Xing Yi, since all Xing Yi arises from the Xin. Liuhe has two different meanings. One is the general martial arts external and internal harmonies, which apply to virtually all internal styles, the other is Xing Yi specific, but applies to nearly all Xing Yi schools. At present Xing Yi seems to be going through a style/family "branding" process and it seems that the result is history being rewritten in an attempt to make one thing look more authentic than another. Modern martial arts are about individualism and cliques, but once Xing Yi was greater than that. Sad how it's turned out.

Bullshit,there was no "Xingyi Garden of Eden" where all the masters got along great and everyone just focused on their martial arts development. Xingyi has,from day one, just like any other Chinese martial art, been a competitive business, with lots of cliques, intrigues, bullshit stories, hype, and other things like you have in modern times.

Branding, in the marketing sense, has always been a central part of martial arts. Xingyi teachers were much concerned that their "brand" of xingyi be seen as the best. That is how you got lucrative government appointments, that is how you got customers for your private guard business, that is how you got students for you stable.

The idea that there was some idyllic Chinese martial arts past that was above all that is laughable. For that to be true the China of Ming or Qing era would have to have been fundamentally different than modern China and that is absurd; Chinese culture has not changed; nor has basic human nature. Of course Xingyi has also been full of outstanding fighters and dedicated teachers. The two ideas; good fighters/good teachers and businessmen branding and selling martial arts are not mutually exclusive.

Take care,
Brian the Realist

The original purpose of Xing Yi was for use by patriotic soldiery. Decisions were taken by many to suffer and put others before themselves. The well known Xing Yi style names all come from two generations, that Xing Yi is at the very least two generations older than. These generations are dated post-western influence in China, although Xing Yi's origins are pre that influence. There was no idyllic age in any history, but there was a difference in application. In the application of defending China (be it Ming or Sung dynasty) against external forces (be they Manchu or Kin), and laying down one's life selflessly for country as in the case of Yue Fei or Dong Zhan, or destroying ones social standing as in the case of Ji Ji Ke - no branding issues whatsoever were involved at all, and nor was there any self-serving policy.

Even in the generation that the brand names come from, there was no sense of Xing Yi "styles", it was the generation after that who started all this business. At the time of Li, Guo, Che, Song etc. all of them were desperate to get practice time with each other and went well out of their way to make it happen - they didn't worry about their own "styles". Good fighters/teachers and businessmen branding and selling are obviously not exclusive, but the original purpose of Xing Yi was not that. If something gets a completely different purpose in my opinion it's no longer the original thing, however wonderful it might be for it's new purpose.

Chinese history has many ages that have traditionally been considered idyllic. Tang, early Sung, early Ming, and there were ages when the Chinese population were subjected to significant humiliation at the hands of external forces: Yuan, Ching (both from the Ching themselves and in the later part of the dynasty from the British). During these times patriotism was associated with resisting the invading forces even in the face of overwhelming odds. The originators of Xing Yi were heavily involved in this, and several of them died in the process. They could easily have been self serving - the Yuan and Ching liked nothing better than collaboration and many collaborators made significant personal fortunes out of their taking the "easy route". The originators of Xing Yi were not these kind of people and in some cases lost all when they had an alternative.

The basis of Xin Yi is Xin. The character for Xin appears many times in the classics and there has been a conception of two "types" of Xin, the first is the individual's Xin. This is differentiated from the Xin that underlies nature (the "one root" or "way of nature" that the Xing Yi classics talk about) - in former times this was also called sichao. As the classics say, Xin is differentiated between people by the shallowness of human understanding, but there is only a reality of One Xin, that is a reality independent of the thinking of human beings. A purpose of Xin Yi practice is therefore to undifferentiate oneself within the context of the one "real" Xin - this is not, in my opinion, exemplified by factionalism by bringing people together as in the army of Yue Fei which, to quote the classics, "when struck will not become disarrayed". Holding a line of soldiers of necessity requires that they are all not doing their own thing - this is a problem that many Chinese generals had when they faced the British, but the example of San Yuan Lee showed that the British could be overcome by an older non-western approach. Conversely, the example of the boxer rebellion showed just how ineffective a bunch of different stylists getting together could be against the Eurpoean forces, although individually I'm sure they were all great martial artists.