• Archive through February 23, 2004 February 23 - 01:37 pm [20]

Try meditating outside of the waterfall or wear a wetsuit.

I don't think true martial artist should wear a wetsuit. That would be kind of sissy.

What about a true scuba diving/martial artist would that be allowed.

Anybody seen that picture of the cat of gojo ryu under a small waterfall. Guy looks pained like as soon as the shot is done he will jump right out in to a nice warm kimono.

I thought Xing I was created by General Yeuh Fei?

He also created eagle claw and eight section brocade qigong. same as da mo created all external chinese kung fu and santa delives presents to good kids at crimbo.

I am not here to make any statements about xing-yi at this moment. I am just here to learn and ask questions.How long should a person hold the Hawk stance and what kind of breathing is involved.I hope i can find someone knowledgeable on this information.

Hi dayan (if you're still there). I don't think duration of standing is as important as the quality of standing, although of course you will need to keep pushing yourself to improve your duration a bit too. Most important is not using any extraneous muscular tension - just try and relax and sink as much as possible while maintaining your structural integrity. Breathing should probably be kept simple - relaxed and deep abdominal breathing. I know some qigong people might advocate reverse breathing during times of non-exertion (or at least non-power release) to "re-charge your batteries", but I don't think that kind of thing is quite so important.

I've been studing Xing Yi Quan for three years.
It's not a joke.
Martial arts is not to dominate people,but to help become one with your life,& environment.
I hate to think of martial artist's as mindless.
So Mr. Bruce Leroy... if you don't study...study.
If you do study...study harder.
If you need help......ask Buddah.
Peace & Love,
Spookie

Training properly in any martial art can improve the practitioner on many levels -- including his or her maturity and/or spirituality.

On the other hand, hsing-i was originally developed to bring effective fighting skills and not as another means of New Age enlightenment or as simplified qigong.

Jin Yunting, 1923

"As a youth, my constitution was weak, I was often sick, and could not endure physical labor. Some people enjoined me to use xingyi boxing--which as the main aim of nurturing qi-- as a restorative method, for if the qi is sufficient, the body is healthy and sickness will depart. Accordingly I sought those skilled in this art and found Master Shang Yunxiang of Leling, ..."

Funakoshi said the same thing regarding himself and karate (without the ki reference).

Dear Tim,

I was just overlooking your post on the founder of Xing Yi Quan...

Ji Long Feng?!?


I had always been told that Martial Yue Fei, was the historical founder of the art during the Song dynasty.His martial backround was in Shaolin {Eagle Claw}, which he fused with Taoist Nei Gung and Wu Xing theory. From that martial foundation he taught his new art called Xing Yi Quan{which is very affective BAREHAND vs. SPEAR}to his high ranking troops. {at least to my understanding}


If this is not true, then how long before the Song dynasty does the root of the art go??

Is Ji Long Feng, And Yue Fei, the Same person?

If not, then why is Yue Fei, historicaly credited with the arts founding and not Ji Long Feng??

From which of your masters does this historical backround come??

I was also wondering about Yue Fei's Ten Notes.
Did he even wright them?

Yue Fei is given credit for the creation of several martial arts, primarily because he was a famous patriot and hero. It's a common practice in China to falsely associate new creations with older, famous personages, like crediting Zhang Sanfeng with the creation of Taijiquan, and Damo for the creation of Shaoling boxing.

That Ji Longfeng created Xinyiquan which later evolved into the various styles of Xingyiquan is common knowledge among Chinese martial scholars.
The art dates from the end of the Ming dynasty (mid 1600's).

Guess I have to dig deeper in my studies.

Thanks Tim

Who wrote the famous ten martial theses on Xing yi quan if not Yue Fei?


Do you know who Ji Longfeng's lineage heirs were?

Thanks Again

So Cao li wu, and Ma Xue li, where his most famous students.{got it from your Bio page}

but historical records show that the history of the martial arts before the Qing Dynasty{1644 a.d.} is very... very... vague, because almost all of the Chinese martial artists passed down there styles orally to only to "indoor students"secretly.

According to most of the available records,Xing Yi quan dates at least as far back as the Liang Dynasty{502-557a.d.}at Shaolin temple.This is because at that time Shaolin was imitating the movements of five animals.In fact, many Xing yi quan people belived that Xing yi quan originated at Wudang Mountain.

During the Song Dynasty, when soldiers of Yue Fei's army were trained in XingYiquan,the art gained fame,thats why most think that Yue Fei created the art.However,since his backround was in Shaolin, many people credit Shaolin as its founder.

Between the Song and Ming Dynasties, history is again very vauge.
Ji,Ji-Ki nicknamed {Ji long feng} of Pu Zhou, travled and visited the masters of Sichuan Mountain,and ShanXi Provinces, somewhere on Zhong Nan Mountain,he obtained a secret book on Xing yi Quan written by Yue Fei.After some time he mastered the art and passed it down to Cao ji-Wu, who the passed it on to Ji,Shou and Ma Xue-li. Ji-Shou later published Yue Fei's Book, during the the Qing Tong Zhi period,1862-1875.

After then until now, we know that Ma ,Xue Li taught Dai,Long-Bang and his brother Dai,Ling-Bang during the QingXian Feng period.Then they passed the art to Li,Luo-Neng,who passed it to many others including Song Shi-Rong,Che Yong-Hong,Liu Qi-Lan,Gao Yun-Shen,and Bo Xi-Yuan.Among these five, Liu Qi-Lan had many students and three sons, among them where Liu Jin-Tang,Liu Dian-Chen,Liu Rong-Tang,and students Li Cun-Yi,Zhau Ming-Tai,Zhang Zhan-Kui,Zhao Zhen-Biao,and Geng Ji-Shan.Also Guo Yun Shen passed it to Liu Yong-Qi,Li Kui-Yuan and Qian Yan-Tang.Li Cun-Yi and Zhang Zhan-Kui had many students such as Li Yun-Shan and Shang Yun Xiang.Also Li Kui-Yuan's student Sun Lu-Tang, taught many people as well, such as Zhang Huai-Xian,who taught one of my teachers, Liang Shou-Yu.

I'm not saying that I think Yue Fei Created the art, but evidence shows that it dates back much farther then the time of Ji Ji-Ke.

I'm Curious though, if Yue Fei even wrote the ten theses that he is credited for..?

We may never know

Unless you are a scholar and seeking to write a book... who cares.

If you walked into a school and someone starting naming all those names... you would probably walk out.

Look to the last three people in your teachers lineage and that will tell you all you need to know, that and watch the teacher and judge him on your own.

Ha! Your right bro/s, to be honest, I can't really tell what the differences in some of these names, or the level of skill of these masters were,there just names to me.{all of these names I got from Master Liang's Xing yi quan book}

Just because they were famous teachers does'nt really mean that they were the best at there craft either.

However,I'm interested in some of the different theory surrounding the art,mabey to shed a little light on the truth and remove some of its opaque shadows,so when I teach the history of the art, I know I am teaching the right thing.{ I'm a history buff,what can I say?}

I am really interested in the fact that Tim's post lays claim to the art by Ji Ji-Ki.

Then who wrote Ten Martial theses on Xing yi quan?

WuXing,
I have pondered that myself... about the ten thesis.

I have just learned not question how, what , and why, and just take it for what it is worth.

One day someone will say it was Yue Fei and then some scholar will present another figure in history.

Just like red meat was good in the 70's and in the 90's it was bad, but now its good again.

Just practice.

MMMmmmm, red meat!