Tim you say that san ti is not effective for fighting as a stance but that it is for training only and you and your students use a boxing style stance. But you are wrong about most xingyi and traditional xingyi people not using that stance, you yourself modified it to the more efficient one not the style taught you it.

Another similar thread I started:
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=458898#post458898

"....you yourself modified it to the more efficient one not the style taught you it"

WHAT? HUH? WHAT? HUH? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY YOU BLITHERING IDIOT?

Enforcer. I think what Bob is trying to say is why not take your vague accusation and rephrase it into a specific question.

By the way. I have noticed in videos of Lao, that while he is clearly competent fighting out of San Ti or a forward stance, that when casual, he seems to use a more upright boxing like position.

Ok than Lao modified the traditional stance to fit in with mix style fighting. I still think the san ti is above most chinese systems especially tai chi though, but the Muay Thai stance with open fists is the best.

Perhaps once the principles trained in santi are internalized, you can utilize them regardless of how you stand.

San Ti describes a set of alignments, not a specific posture.

Every posture and movement in Xingyiquan is a variation of San Ti.

Enforcer,
You seem to be talking about an "on guard" position. There are many variations in the Chinese martial arts.

Interresting comment Tim. It gives a lot to think about.

I see what your saying Tim I was a bit confused earlier.