Help with Sun Lu Tang lineage Xing Yi: Question for Tim

Tim's Discussion Board: Xing Yi Quan: Help with Sun Lu Tang lineage Xing Yi: Question for Tim
   By KevinB. (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 01:35 am: Edit Post

Tim I read on the empty flower forum that you were taught by Sun Lu Tang's daughter in Xing Yi Quan. I have a question for you about the five fists. I know that in Pi Chuan the fist travels down the centerline. I Believe in Beng Quan the fist travels straight out from the shoulder. How about in the remaining forms? I also think that Pao Quan punches up the centerline of the body. Do Zuan Quan and Heng Quan punch up the centerline also? I understand that the forms are just ways of expressing energy so can Beng Quan punch up the centerline or is it always straight out from the shoulder etc.? Thanks for the help


   By Tim on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 02:45 pm: Edit Post

Hi Kevin,
I never studied Xingyiquan with the Sun family, only their Baguazhang and Taijiquan, so I can't answer any of your questions in detail.


   By Chris Seaby (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 10:34 pm: Edit Post

Your limbs naturally move along curved paths, while striking or releasing an object will cause it to move away from that curved path on a straight line. I'd concentrate on the ; "forms are just ways of expressing energy" bit.


   By marc daoust on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 04:28 pm: Edit Post

questions for Tim,
sorry if it's in the wrong topic!
i think i asked those question already,but
i cant find where or maybe i deleted them.

(1)do you think that Wing Chung could be consider
IMA.some of there moves looks like Xing Yi,
they also have "Lap Sao" it's kinda like push hands?
(2)are the IMA internal principles the same as like boxing,turn the hips and shift the weight.
or is there much more principles?
(3)what about footwork?the IMA use the regular steps like walking,where the back foot goes in front of the lead foot.
do you think it's better than like keeping always
the same foot in the front and the power side in the back,like boxers.
and what about hoping and shuffle step(i mean the
front foot moves and the back follow)do you think
they're more effective than rooted steps?

i hope you understand what i mean,it's kinda hard
to explain and some people call some things differently than others.
i like regular step because they allow me to cover a lot of distance,also it changes side
(i'm ambidextrous)and it seem to help cut angles.
i'm wondering what are your thougths on that
and if you have any training tips.
i'm not a IMA guy perse,i train MMA,but i like to learn anything that can help!
thanks


   By Tim on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 07:18 pm: Edit Post

Marc,

1. I've never studied Wing Chun.

2. Many of the IMA principles are the same as boxing.

3. When fighting, all IMA use a shuffle step as the primary method of footwork. Walking steps are only found in Baguazhang circle forms, mainly for training. One difference from boxing is that IMA will sometimes changes leads depending on the situation.


   By Ozzy Dave on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 09:26 pm: Edit Post

G'day Tim, Marc, I'd like to offer my two cents

I've practised Wing Chun and Taijiquan.

From my experience WC is something of an enigma.

WC could be described as a stripped down martial art. By stripped down I mean that the forms, such as they are do not provide cardiovascular conditioning like many other Southern Chinese martial arts or Taijiquan.

The forms (especially Sil Lim Tao)instead mainly stress structural alignment for force generation which, I feel is in keeping with the IMA, rather like the concept of Peng Jin but called Lat Sao Jit Jung which is as I understand it, constant forwards pressure with the whole body. This is then developed on the wooden dummy and in partner practise.

I have not practised Xingyiquan but from observing San Ti, IMO the main difference between XYQ and WC body use would be that WC dosen't emphasise the alignment of shoulders to hips, elbows to knees and hands to feet. I would say that WC uses an alignment more of the type where both shoulders try to face the adversary squarely irrespective of the positioning of the feet - certainly an 'external' consideration.

By the way, thank you Tim for the translation of Tong Zhongyi's book - I really enjoyed it!

Dave


   By Tim on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 07:13 pm: Edit Post

Dave,

Good post. Glad you liked the book.


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