Hi
Until recently i was studying yiquan but changed to xingyi as it was closer to home.I was reading an article translated from a chinese magazine in which it described an exercise performed whilst holding santi, in which you imagine reaching out to an object eg a tree and imagine pushing/pulling etc the object.This is the same exercise i was taught whilst studying yiquan (called moli).I know yiquan came from xingyi but i was wondering if these a exercises(or anything similar) are taught generally in xingyi, as other than in the article i havent seen anything similar mentioned in books,web.

John Mitchell,

It is common in Xingyiquan standing practices to imagine a constant outward force (that you are continuously reaching forward with the hands, upward with the crown of the head and pressing downward through the feet even though you are standing still). During Santi practice, I've never heard of imagining you are pulling though.

Thanks Tim,
The article is at http://users2.ev1.net/~stma/pangen.html .What is the aim of these type exercises?

Hmm...Imaginging pulling and pushing an object while in some type of meditation/form/whatever. Interestingly we did this during meditation during TKD class. It was explained as a way to strengthen one's ki but I've never been one to believe in that. I always thought of it as a way to focus your mind on a single point. The applicability of this was when striking your opponent to get maximum power into your blow. The thing we focused on moving back and forth was a white dot in a black background we were supposed to imagine.

In one of Ed Parker's Kenpo manuals (i have 3 of them) he says (I am paraphrasing, if anyone really wants to know the exact quote I'll find where he talks about it in the manual) that arts meant for killing and combat use meditation with a white dot in a black background to imagine focusing one's power into a single blow. Arts meant for self-defense use meditation with a black dot in a white background to imagine being completely aware of one's surroundings when attacked from any direction.

I don't know if any of what he says is true but I have to admit I like a lot of his "old-school" american kenpo that has now been turned into "pressure-point" self-defense and other nonsense by practicioners now-a-days.

Does anyone have any thoughts on Bruce Frantiz's SanTi finger breathing method? He talks about it in his book, in where you hold SanTi and, on the inhale, imagine force coming into your finger, through your arm, then down your neck and into your spine, then out again along the same path on the exhale{or something along those lines}

Also Tim, in your opinion, do you think Frantiz is the REAL DEAL? I personally love his books as a read, but he is a bit vauge about his methods, in which I am kind of unsure and caution myself to whether or not his teachings are worth the money he is asking for.
I would be grateful for an opinion, but an unbiased one, seeing as he briefly trained with your teacher Lo Te Xiu. Thanks WXW

WuXing Warrior,

1.Breath 9 cycles.
2.Do Pi Chuan.
3.Repeat steps 1 & 2.

Kumar is for really-o. When Matthew Cohen and I first went to see him, he asked us to attack him. We asked him how he would like us to attack him, and he said he didn't care...

We attacked him simultaneously and he took us out in under 3 seconds. He took us out without causing us any pain. He took us out without injuring us. He took us out, leaving no doubt that if he had wanted to, he could have just as easily killed us...We tried several times, and each time the result was the same...

Bruce and Lo Te Xiu trained under Hung I Hsiang together. They were training partners, and are still friends to this day.When Lo gives workshops in The Bay Area, Kumar shows up and hangs out...

If you can afford it, go to his Spinal Chi Gung Retreat,(or anything else he offers). He prices himself out of reach of the working class;so if you want to study with him you will have to become upwardly mobile...

Regards

Thanks Mike, I had a feeling that he was the man,just wanted to confirm it,thats all. Do you know anything about his Xing Yi, BaGua, and Taiji, teacher Liu Hung Chieh? This guy really inspires me.

Although,research that I have done in, on lineage's turns out that it is rare to find the masters name.
Do you know if he went by a different name?

And thanks again for the training tip...You want to get together and train some time?

Peace

Liu's kungfu brother Zhu Baojen still teaches in Beijing. He has said that Liu was actually more known for his Yin Fu style and was quite adept at it.

Hi Mike Strong,

i learned spinal chi gung from lee burkins.

How does spinal chi gung transalate in actual usage or more power?

Steve

WuXing Warrior,

Anytime you are in Las Vegas we can:

1. train.
2. see how much damage we can do to an all you can eat buffett.
3. see what we can do to Help The Wayward Girls of Las Vegas,(it's a special project of mine).

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Buddy,

BUDDY!!!

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Steve Feng,

You tell me...

Have you guys ever wondered if the problem of no skill (no clue as to fighting ability or skill)attacking some skill and no skill is bemused at the skill of the other?

Stan,
Its more like miscommunication.(if that is even spelled right).
And to much time in front of the computer because of work.
martial arts is fun for me.
And whether you can beng train me to death with one shot or arm lock or choke me to death does that make you a better person than me?if yes

Let me put you in a ring with mother theresa and you can give her a good fight.

Steve

Mike!
Are you on strip or downtown? Last time I was in Vegas we stayed at the Trop. The other times (with Pak Victor) we were at the Palace Station.
Steve,
It's magic!

I forgot,
WW, I did the method Mike describes for the first year I was learning Xingyi from Kumar to good results.

Stan,

Que?

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Steve Feng,

To review: what did Lee teach you about Bend The Bow/Shoot The Arrow and it's yung fa ?

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Buddy,

I'm on the East Side of town, but I work on The Strip. Maya, all is Maya...

I love to train, eat, and be merry with plenty of female companions


translation:Road Trip!!

Mike, I'm sure I could learn alot from you.

Mabey you would like my methods as well,{have to keep my •••• tight,been in a lot of fights}
I have invented a lot of new methods you might find interesting too.{I'm always looking for diffrent perspectives and veiw points,so I, been in the game for awhile, but I still got a long way to go}

Is there way I can contact you?

To Buddy:
It is kinda like magic.
When I first met lee at kumar's camp and we were all there frank allen, you, and lee.
He put his hand on my belly and I just kinda of popped back in the air with no apparent movement from lee and when I went to see him in colorado and he just used one finger and I couldnt move.
Well maybe because I just suck but still it is pretty much like magic. cool.

To Mike:

He taught me more how to do bend the bow than its usage. Oh yeah, using the cavities of the bodies and how to root into the person during push hands, also bending and unbending when engaging in rise drill overturn. Also how to create space in the joints, central channel, and also left and right channel to be very yin or very yang or meld them together. Do the changes very yang then yin then meld. over and over again. Also how to connect to the ground with my tailbone to build more root and work my tendon and ligaments softly.
All of its just a practice i guess to open up and get stronger not really using it to fight with.
All my respect to lee as a teacher but I am just a bad student.

WuXing,

Email me.

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Steve,

Right. Using the cavities of the body AND the space between the joints. There is also a slick secret from the Wu Style, but you have to get that from B.K.F.

These days I'm drawing the left and right channels into the central channel, but that is a little off the subject of Bend The Bow...

If you haven't already seen it, I suggest that you rent WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE KNOW from your local video store...prick up your ears when they start talking about what is between the joints and in the sinovial fluid...Actually, prick up your ears for the whole thing, if you can apply what you learn in that funky little film to your Gung Fu you can be a "good student".

Mike,

Prick my ears up...
Thats funny.
more like stand my hairs on my arm up.

Thanks,
Steve