No follow Step in Sun Style Pi

Tim's Discussion Board: Xing Yi Quan: No follow Step in Sun Style Pi
   By Gregor (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 07:09 am: Edit Post

Hi Tim,

could you please explain, why there is no follow step in basic Pi Quan in Sun Style Xing Yi?

It is in most other styles, but not in the Xing Yi as Sun Shourong teaches it. Do you know the reason?

Thanks in advance,
Gregor


   By Tim on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 06:09 pm: Edit Post

Gregor,
In the Sun style Xingyiquan that I saw, there was a follow step in Pi Quan.

Some teachers will teach "fixed step" (without a follow step) practice first so the forms are easier to learn and more attention can be placed on balance and the transference of weight.


   By ReadW (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 06:24 am: Edit Post

this makes a lot of sense, thank you so much!


   By mozart on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 12:15 pm: Edit Post

i'm currently studying xingyi in beijing under someone of sun cun zhou's line (sun lu tang's second son), and as far as i know there is no follow step. will ask my teacher about it tomorrow.


   By mozart on Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 10:41 am: Edit Post

i just asked my teacher. he said there is no follow step, he is a disciple of one of sun jian yun's disciples and a disciple of one of sun cun zhou's disciples. of course it's possible that the form was changed but he insists this is the way sun lutang performed it.

fwiw, mo


   By Robert on Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 08:04 pm: Edit Post

Mozart,

Help me get this...

So, Sun put a follow-step in his Tai Chi and even his daughter said the Tai Chi was modled after the Hsing-i footwork. In fact, the follow step in his Tai Chi was one of the innovations -- but-- he didn't actually use a follow step in his Hsing-i?

I'm interested to learn more...


   By Jay Shrewsbury (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 11:29 pm: Edit Post

I also come from Sun Cun Zhou lineage, master hu wei yue, and I learned it at first with no follow step, then when I became effecient I was taught the follow step with metal. for application purposes it depends on the distance between you.


   By mozart on Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 02:41 pm: Edit Post

i honestly don't know robert. my teacher says there is no follow step in sun lutang's piquan, i don't know about his taiji. of course, that's only how the fists are meant to be drilled, in combat you can do whatever you want. and he does have a follow step with his bengquan (don't know about the other fists cuz i've never seen my teacher do them). like jay says, it depends on the distance. but as for drilling them, i can only tell you what my teacher says, and he says there is no follow step with piquan. it could be different with sun jian yun's branch, i wouldn't know cuz i've had no contact with anyone from that line here in beijing. i'll try to clear this up with him on monday.


   By Michael Andre Babin on Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 05:35 pm: Edit Post

The hsing-i style that I have had a little experience with did not use a follow-up step for the san-t'i posture but did whenever you practised Split as a repetitive solo exercise or in the linking sets. The end of the "splitting process" would look superficially like the stationary san-t'i posture or pehaps I'm splitting hairs. ... I don't know much about hsing-i except that it seems like an excellent martial system when it is done competently.


   By mozart on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 06:57 am: Edit Post

ok i cleared things up with my teacher. there IS a follow step but like tim and jay stated it's taught after your piquan becomes efficient. my bad, sorry for the mix up. my teacher says it will usually, but not always, take about 6 months before a student is ready (in his opinion) to be taught the follow step.


   By Charles W on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 02:18 pm: Edit Post

same way its tought at my school. you only learn the follow-up step when you have become proficient


   By Mark Mondrone (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 08:38 am: Edit Post

My late teacher ,Master Fu Shu Yun, studied under Sun Lutang and Huang Bonien. They both taught with a follow step in all 5 fists.


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