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tano what do you think about jack v, larry from whittier and mike frummer?
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apprentice

are you stone?
release yourself somewhere else!

Regarding Q1, I would think any striking has to be basically yang.

Regarding the vibration theory, I doubt it very much, but just for fun, here's how it could work if it could possibly work, which I doubt it can: we're not talking alternating current here. (vibration is the mechanical, or acoustic, equivalent of alternating current). A straight push is the mechanical equivalent of a DC pulse, so there's just no frequencies to cause any resonance.
However, a very short, rapid pulse would be like a transient; it would generate a lot of harmonically unrelated frequencies, and whatever the resonant frequency of the target was, that's what frequency of vibration would occur. So a very quick, sharp strike theoretically could set a resonant body vibrating. If you hit a bell, it rings.
However, the resonant frequency of the soft tissues and fluids in the body has to be extremely low, less than 10Hz I'm sure, probably less than 1Hz. I think the shock would just damp right out. Creating vibration inside your opponent would be sort of like ringing a watermelon!
Anyway there is absolutely no reason to think vibration or frequency hss anything to do with it, no evidence for that.

About "short jing" and "long jing", Tim mentioned that today in the seminar. According to him it's all about the path the striker's body follows prior to the fa jing, that is, before the energy is delivered. So once it gets transferred to the target, it's the same.

If it's really possible to deliver energy in two ways, one where it's all absorbed into the target and one where some of it goes into pushing the target back, I wonder what the physics of that would be. Certainly a hard blow can knock you back. Football linemen drive the blocking sled back. We were hitting pads today, and whenever I hit pretty hard the guy holding the pad went back a little (I suppose just his upper body). That's good for him; otherwise he absorbs the force.
If he was up against a wall, or down on the ground, then he wouldn't be able to get rid of any force that way.
I just wonder if there really are two such kind of strikes. Maybe there are; I just would like to know what the physics of that is.
Seems to me it has to do with penetration. If I hit you with a shovel, it won't penetrate, you might go backward. If I hit you with an icepick on the end of a stick, it penetrates, you don't go back so much. Or, OK, a fast rifle bullet might go through and not knock the target back, where a slower .45 bullet might spend some energy knocking you back. The slower bullet would be more destructive, because the fast one hasn't used up all its energy yet when it comes out the back.

But the fist or palm doesn't penetrate, regardless, so how could we physically make the force penetrate more or less?

But if you can actually make that distinction real, why would you want to deliver a slow strike and waste some of your power moving the guy back? Wouldn't you want as much as possible of your force to go into shock, pain and damage?

Bruce Lee said a punch is just a punch, then it isn't, then it is. So there you are. And then you aren't.

blah,blah,blah,take another bong hit!
who cares does it matter,the best knockouts don't send the guy fling back he usually falls foward.

Jack makes a lot of good points. I particularly like it when he posts as Xing.

A true kung fu master and patriot.

Hey,

I don't know if there is actually another Jerry,
or whether it's just some malicious fool who for some reason wants to get both me and Marc, but I didn't write the idiotic post that started
"Dearest Douast"...

Whoever wrote that needs professional help.

whomever hasn't figured out the benefits of 'registering an id' by now needs professional help. (It wasn't me by the way).

(and by professional, I don't mean a prostitute)

Bob,

I registered an ID, and I am not able to use it because the professionals-- that is the sysops-- can't help. I'm never able to log in, or change the password, and the error message says to contact Tim.
I've bugged him about it numerous times, he's bugged the sysops, and nothing can be done.
Makes no sense to me, but that's what they say.

And yes, I guess I will have to register another ID, now that this happened.

But Shane, what the hell is your problem?
Why would you want to defend that kind of horseshit?

what, exactly, have I defended?

for the record- I beleive anyone who hasn't figured out how to register an ID is fair game- but and I am also disqusted to read posts based around deepthroating fecal spackled rubber devices (It wouldn't bother me as much if the flammer had chosen comical, less vulgar terminology).

Well, what you did was side with the malicious cretin who forged my name, by attacking me. That's kind of like endorsing or defending his actions. I haven't done anything to you. What the hell are you attacking me for?

Your belief that someone who hasn't "figured out" registration deserves to be attacked is not well thought out. Somebody who hasn't registered might be new, or might not have gotten around to registering yet, or, as you failed to realize, they may have registered, and there may be some damn technical problem that isn't their fault that keeps them from using their registered ID. (And also, as it turns out, keeps them from registering a new ID!)
I'm not able to use my registered ID, no one knows why, and I'm not allowed to register a new one (with my own email) because I'm already registered! Catch 22.
So I post as Jerry, unregistered guest, and then some jerk signs my name to a slimy post, and then some other jerk on a mission to attack unregistered guests decides to take a shot at me too!

You're right, I do need professional help, from the sysops, and I've asked for it many times but haven't received it. I haven't had a chance to experience the joys of registration yet, but not for lack of trying, and it's not because I'm too stupid to figure it out, OK?

Anyway, even if someone hasn't "figured it out" why be such an ass about it? Why not help the poor bastard instead of attacking him?!

Shane, I don't want a quarrel with you. I don't want a quarrel with anyone. It really pissed me off that you, of all people, would attack me for no reason, and at a moment when, obviously, I was in no very good mood as a result of having this piece of crap attributed to me.
I thought I exercised commendable restraint about the first thing, but I kind of lost it there for a second when you decided to pile on.
I apologize for that.
Let's move on.

Attacking people is stupid. Letting people push your buttons isn't too brilliant either.
Let's be more intelligent.

I'll setup an ID for you when I get home tonight.
I'll Email everything to your Email address. I didn't know about your past issues setting up an ID. (SysOp is MIA- and Tim isn't a very 'techie' kind of person... so, that's probably why you haven't had help yet.)

In my previous post, I picked a bad choice of words- thanks for pointing it out. I intended to write "folks who repeatedly post without registering are fair game to anyone who may want to smear them by posting drivel as them".

Thanks for thinking Bob#2 and I are the same person! That's a huge compliment to me, I'm a big fan- but it will probably send him into a rage.

hide your button a little better.

Well, thanks, Shane.
I don't see how you can set up an ID for me, because it requires an email address. Tim did finally manage to get my previous ID deleted, and I have created 3 ID's, but I have yet to receive the key to activate any of them.
Why so difficult?

Guess you're right, I was fair game for the alien who posted as me. I certainly was trying not to be, though!

Perhaps you don't realize that Bob is your alter ego, kind of like Dr. Morbius's Id Monster in "Forbidden Planet", or one of Sybil's alternate personalities. He only comes out when you're asleep..

Bob#2 coming out of me, asleep or otherwise is something I don't want to think about.

I'm Emailing you an ID and Password I set up for you. To get around the Email issue, I created you a nifty Email address too. (I'm not as creative as you seem to think I am- so.. the ID isn't great)

Shane

testing.

Hey, it works!

Shane,

thanks very much, but I really don't want to use that handle. It just isn't my name, or anything I would have picked. I do appreciate your kindness, though.
(I tried editing the profile; the one thing you can't change is the ID name itself).

I also tried to email you, but your listed email address doesn't seem to be current. Mind sending me an email from your own address, so I can email you back? thanks.

Wait a minute--this one works too.