Xingyi & Grappling article by Tadzio

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   By Hissho (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 03:58 pm: Edit Post

Tim-

It still needs some work. I am trying to make it more succinct. As it is now it would have to be in like two multiple page parts - one dealing specifically with the study, and another dealing with how certain groundfighting methods can be used tactically, in a weapons based environment, and why it is a good idea to have more than a token familiarization with the ground when faced with this eventuality in an actual encounter, as well as specific issues relating to multiple opponents, terrain etc.

The "combat gurus" list the reasons why it is not a good idea to go to the ground without ever offering realistic options if it does happen, or if you are in a position where you do have to control the guy on the ground. I hope to provide the other side of the coin.

No idea where it would be published. Probably on-line somewhere.


   By Meynard (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 04:32 pm: Edit Post

Hissho,

I thought you were going to visit, what's up? Great info BTW! I look forward to reading your article. Maybe I could get a preview, heh?


   By Hissho (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 05:48 pm: Edit Post

Meynard,

I plan on it, I just have a lot on the plate right now.

I am tied up with several upcoming trips for training in-state over the next few months, when that clears up I plan on coming down.


   By Kenneth Sohl on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 07:26 pm: Edit Post

Remember to post on here where and when the article is, Hissho, as I'm sure many of us would be interested also.


   By Hissho (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 11:27 pm: Edit Post

Thanks for the vote of confidence, guys.


   By european (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 05:56 am: Edit Post

Congratulations,

this material is really interesting. Hopefully you will signal on this forum where to find the article as soon as it's published.


   By Ricardo Morgado (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 08:28 pm: Edit Post

Hi, my dear Tadzio!

I always thought you had praticed Hun Gar. Well, whatever...

By the way, what the hell is this "Cailifo" and "Che XY"??

Regards,

Morg


   By Tadzio on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 12:21 am: Edit Post

Ricardo, seu trolha.... nao respondeu meu e-mail.
Contact me trhough my e-mail, ok?
boymarino@yahoo.com

Abracao.
T.


   By bigpun (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 03:18 pm: Edit Post

crosstraining is abused these days, yes, if your art is lacking groundwork, you need to learn groundwor, but bruce lees idea of being good at 4 ranges is not reality.most fights are long and close range, and although i studied wc for 12 years, rarely have i seen in the street trapping range.because standing grappling and trapping range are pretty much the same range, and as far as long range or middle range, its not really neccesarry for both, yes, its a good theory, but i have ssen many boxers get in on a kicker, and then grapple him.
bruce lee wssnt the first one with these ideas either, as most chinese masters crosstrained, and did the kajukenbo guys and others here in the states.mande muda silat also was 18 styles combined in 1951, but one should be focussing on one art as a major, and dabble in the others, i did the jkd crosstraining thing, got blackbelts in wc,kali,etc, and i am very good at alot of things, but not real good at one, and when i met my xingyi teacher (li tailiang)he commented at how much leaves i had,coming from a tree with weak roots, so its back to basics. especially in todays world where everyone wants to be able to fight the day after they sign up,its hard to do stance training. but in reality, 90 percent of ufc guys are on meds, pain killers, antideppresants, etc,steroids,etc.i now believe in the old school way of training, posture and structure are the key to health and fighting.
also in the street most fights go to the ground, but its between two unskilled fighters, so yes, people just tackle or headlock. if you are a good martial artist and fight joe shmoe on the street, he shouldnt take you down. its a different story if you face a trained grappler though.i am glad i did 4 years of bjj, but got many injuries in the process,i feel the art is superior in the way its trained, bjj you can wrestle all out, like in the street, and this really takes fear away, and you go against a resisting opponent, whereas most gung fu guys spar with pads,and other things that arent like the street,gung fu guys need to spar like boxers, all out, round after round, with limited padding,if any stand up art is trained that way, and adds groundwork, you should be ok.i seen a great lack of sparring in all silat, kali, and wc schools, a few were exceptions, but i have trained with guys who are awesome at lets say-- kali hands, yet couldnt pull off one destruction vs a real fighter.so i feeel for me, i need to do less arts and get real good at two ranges.


   By Maciej (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 03:59 pm: Edit Post

I don't think you need to learn ground work but you do need to learn how to not be taken to the ground. You can either charge and knee them int he head when they go for takedown or you can sprawl.


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