Fu Hu Gong?

Tim's Discussion Board: Xing Yi Quan: Fu Hu Gong?
   By Scott on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 03:05 pm: Edit Post

I am from the lineage of Hsu Hong Chi. Do any other branches do these exercizes (Fu Hu Gong)? I have not noticed others doing them, or seem them mentioned much. They are great for building tremendous body power.


   By Mark Hatfield on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 06:34 pm: Edit Post

How about telling us about them, or if they're shown anywhere.


   By Tim on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 06:54 pm: Edit Post

Scott,
The Fu Hu Gong are a collection of exercises originally taught in Hong Yi Xiang's school. They are based on Judo conditioning exercises mainly, with some other conditioning exercises added in.


   By Just Curious on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 03:43 pm: Edit Post

Tim,
Do you believe these exercises are necessary to build Xing Yi internal power or can this be accomplished by doing the elements ??


   By Tim on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 05:29 pm: Edit Post

I think the exercises are very good for building strength, but there are other methods as well. Most people (unless they are in very good physical shape to begin with) will most likely progress more rapidly with a set of conditioning exercises in addition to the form work.


   By tailfeather on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 10:38 am: Edit Post

Tim,

By 'conditioning exercises' do you mean exercises that build up muscle stength?

Just curious.


   By Tim on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 06:45 pm: Edit Post

Tailfeather,
Exercises that build strength and endurance mainly.


   By Just Curious on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 12:59 pm: Edit Post

Tim,
Do you teach Fu Hu Gong in your class or is this from a specific lineage of Xing Yi ??
If specific to a certain lineage, what do other Xing Yi clans do to achieve similar results ??
Also, how long would a student do these "conditioning" exercises before moving on to the elements and animals ??
Sorry for so many questions. I have a friend that went to a New York Based Xing Yi/Bagua school where he did Fu Hu Gong and something called "Shaolin Sets", which he described as a bunch of forms. He said that he liked the exercises, but the forms became too much and very repetive. He ended up leaving the school and went to another. He states that he still does the Fu Hu Gong exercises because he finds them very helpful, but that the Shaolin sets were, in his opinion, a waste of time. The school he is in now started him off with some exercises, a few footwork patterns, and then went straight into the elements. He states that he prefers it this way since he is actually doing Xing Yi instead of forms, which resemble Xing Yi, but are not the real thing.
This is why I am wondering if Fu Hu Gong is necessary and if it gives the Xing Yi practicioner an edge over other lineages.
Thanks in advance for your patience with my overwhelming amount of questioning and also for any insight you can provide.


   By Tim on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 07:01 pm: Edit Post

Just Curious,
I don't do the Fu Hu Gong as a set in my classes, but we do many calisthenic exercises like them (variations on push ups, ab work...).

I believe that separate conditioning exercises are, for the most part, helpful when done along with the standard forms training. My new students will learn basic exercises from the first day of class, and start the Elements by the second week of class. Conditioning and forms can be learned and practiced concurrently.


   By michael chassen on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 09:18 pm: Edit Post

Just Curious,
The shaolin sets do serve as an effective way to transition into the elements much more smoothly since all the elements appear yet in a more easily undestandable way.
The shaolin sets continue until the elements are reached, perhaps a year or 2 later. I admit the volume of work and forms can be intimidating at times.
I know there are other ways but I found it quite helpful.


   By Tim on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 04:44 pm: Edit Post

In addition, the "Shaolin sets" were, for the most part, created from a combination of basics, Xing Yi Quan forms and Gao style straight line Ba Gua forms. This lends a continuity from the Shaolin forms into the Xing Yi forms.


   By Scott Franks on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 07:00 am: Edit Post

The way it was explained to me, the approach of Tang Shou Tao was designed for people with little or no martial arts background. The initial forms and conditioning training is done to build a martial foundation and basic understanding of internal concepts. Ideally, once you get to Pi Chuan, you should have a fair vocabulary of applications referencing your prior forms training (which were, as Tim says, pulled from xingyi and bagua linear sets).

I don't think one approach is "better" than another. It depends on what you bring to your training. If you have loads of good martial training, going directly to standing practice and the elements would probably work. If you have zero experience, conditioning and basic forms would probably be advised so that you're not flummoxed by the art. It's like learning a language: some people throw you right in and speak nothing but French from day one, while others teach basic vocabulary and grammar before diving into conversation.


   By david (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 12:35 pm: Edit Post

Hello group!

I'm a Hsing-I practioner and have heard a lot about this FU HU Gong. What exactly is Fu Hu Gong? Can anyone describe this exercise and how it should be done please?

david


   By Tim on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:50 pm: Edit Post

Fu Hu Gong isn't a single exercise, it's a set of conditioning exercises.

The set includes various kinds of push ups, ab exercises and a number of ground exercises taken from Judo.


   By Jake Burroughs on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 05:27 pm: Edit Post

In Mifume's book on Judo he shows an altered pushup where you swing one leg under the other. The pics are bad, and the explanation leaves a bit to be desired, so my question is..... do you hold the leg off the ground, and if so do you go all the way down in a normal pushup posistion?
Thanks
Jake


   By david (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 12:20 pm: Edit Post

Is there a link anywhere or anyone who can give me the list or post the exercises. I would like to try the fu hu gong and explore it for myself.


   By Read Wall on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 05:44 pm: Edit Post

I have a question about the translation of the words Fu hu Gong.

Can anyone tell me what the phrase means and what each word means individually?

thank you much!


   By Tim on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 08:10 pm: Edit Post

Fu= Lying (prostrate)
Hu= Tiger
Gong= skill

Fu Hu Gong are a set of conditioning exercises from the Tang Shou Dao Xingyiquan system based primarily on ground exercises from Kodokan Judo.


   By Read Wall on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 09:27 pm: Edit Post

Xiexie ni


   By Dejan Djurdjevic on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 07:00 am: Edit Post

Hi to all

I am a martial artist in Perth Western Australia.

I have a background in Okinawan karate and I am presently studying Chen Pan Ling Xingyi, Bagua and Taiji under his son Chen Yun Ching and his Australian representative, James Sumarac.

My first instructor, Bob Davies, was a student of Hong Yi Xiang's in the 80s. I have a question for Tim, or anyone else who might know:

Bob Davies taught me 2 of Hong's Tang Shou Dao "pre-Xingyi" forms, namely a form called "Shaolin Peng/Beng" (which can be seen on the Way of the Warrior series being performed by a girl under the watchful eye of Hong) and another form "Wu Hu Xia San".

As Hong's system has, to some extent, influenced my martial arts technique and direction (it led me to Chen Pan Ling's Taijiquan) I am curious to know more about Hong's curriculum, in particular the esoteric "pre-Xingyi" forms he seems to have designed himself (the 2 I know contain both Shaolin and internal elements in an intriguing mix).

Has anyone on this forum studied the "pre-Xingyi" forms including the 2 I mentioned above?


Dan


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