Tim's Discussion Board: Martial Arts - Miscellaneous: Judo

   By Dragonprawn on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 05:12 pm: Edit Post


I wonder if Yoshida will wear the gi when he fights again in November. What do you think? After all, at least the element of surprise is gone.

   By Backarcher on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 06:58 pm: Edit Post

Yes, I would bet my life on it. He has a chance, for he is the best guy still in it on the ground.

Yet, we saw how vunerable he was to strikes.

   By Maciej (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 01:57 am: Edit Post


Robert W. Smith was an expert in boxing and judo who studied these arts many years yet when he went to Taiwan in the 60s and crossed hands with Cheng Manqing he was being manhandled like a baby. I would suggest you read his books Chinese boxing, and Martial Musings.

   By Backarcher on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 12:20 pm: Edit Post

Great book!

But, Robert Smith was one man who represented himself over 40 years ago against a very good chinese fighter, who "fought for real" and often.I doubt if there are many chinese boxers around these days who train the same way.

Remember, it's not the "art" but the man and the "training method".

I suggest you go to a Judo school(not start a fight, just watch).

I suggest you go to a boxing gym(just watch, but they might invite you in the ring).

This is not an "art vs art" discussion, but a "training method" question.

A boxer who only does shadow boxing and bag work, would not do will against a Tai chi guy who actually sparred "live" often.

A Judo guy who only practiced throws against a "willing" opponent, would probably get killed by a man that only studied Tae Bo, yet had real street fights every night.

Back to the original question, the Judo "training method" does a "decent" job in preparing one for a "live" altercation.

   By Shane on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 03:22 pm: Edit Post

that's great; a street thug who studies Tae Bo.

I'm not saying you're wrong- it's just a funny thought.

   By Michael Andre Babin on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:03 pm: Edit Post

You can't tell by looking at someone exactly what kind of opponent he (or she) would be in a real fight. One of the strongest untrained punchers I ever experienced was a hairdresser who had never had a martial arts lesson but had done yoga for years.

Speaking of hairdressers, some of you are probably old enough to remember the infamous American "Count Dante" who in the 60s and 70s (in comic book and men's magazine ads for his correspondence course in self-defense) was billing himself as the "World's Deadliest Fighter". He was "un-masked" by one of the tabloid magazines as having earned his living as a hairdresser and that was the beginning of the end of his brief moment of noteriety! That and a stupidly tragic incident in which one of his students was killed in a fight between some of his people and members of a Chinese kung-fu club.

   By Tim on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 03:02 pm: Edit Post

Well put Backarcher.

   By Backarcher on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 01:13 am: Edit Post

Thanks, Tim!

And I still say, you are a "hidden gem" in the world of martial arts!

   By Dragonprawn on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:33 pm: Edit Post

Actually I think one of Tim's best qualities is that he does not keep himself so hidden.

   By Tim on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 11:26 am: Edit Post

Thanks Dragonprawn, ever since Sysops showed me how to use a computer, I'm all over the place.

   By Backarcher on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 09:02 pm: Edit Post

I cannot think of anyone who has integrated the traditional concepts of CMA(the hard and the soft) and BJJ.

Not only that, even though I've never met him, he is one of the most humble martial artist I "know". That means he is dangerous!

How many instructors of any traditional style would humble himself and integrate a "live" art like BJJ?

He ALWAYS takes the high road in martial debates.

He has experience the "reality" on CMA and the "reality" of BJJ.

He is also a great writer. I bought his first book years ago, before I knew this site existed. No one had ever written such a book that wasn't attached to fancy techniques, but the ONLY concept of throwing that works. It helped my Judo tremendously.

I envy his students. I also doubt if his student know just how rare he is. I've study "everything" over the last 25 years and I've had more instructors than I can count. I know the "elite" when I see it.

I know it sounds like I'm "brown-nosing", I don't care, I have nothing to gain. I call it like I see it.

   By Dragonprawn on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 05:36 pm: Edit Post

I think it's "brown-belt nosing" to be more precise. Sheesh - and I thought I was bad.

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