If you choke someone's adams apple or throat

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   By Enforcer on Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 05:02 pm: Edit Post

with your forearm and not have your arm wrapped around it in total to cut blood circulation (rnc) but just shoke the front of the neck, would they still go unconscious after a whilea. Would this techniue be dangerous and could accidentally kill them? Like if their throat caves in? I was wondering because in movies and prison stories you often hear of guys getting choked to death. They usually dont have a rear nakid but put pressure on the throat. Also, they actually eont hold it that long but again i dont know the specifics. Basically what Im worried about is accidentally killing someone in a streretfight if I sued such a choke and they didnt have a chance to tap out so ai had to wiat till theyre out. Im talking about when you have a knee on bell side mount and your forearm on their throat (forgot technique's name).

   By Bob #2 on Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 09:30 pm: Edit Post

go to a teacher or school and learn how to apply chokes.

   By Enforcer on Monday, December 19, 2011 - 03:40 pm: Edit Post

Im not talking about a proper choke here. Im talking about a choke you can wuidkly put on someone in a bar where there is no room to manuever or get behind them. Say you trip them and quidkly put your forearm on his neck while squeezing and with the other hand clammed onto yours and with your knee on their belly.

   By Bob #2 on Monday, December 19, 2011 - 03:55 pm: Edit Post

I don't know what wuidkly means.
But- if you want to learn the fastest, bestest way to choke- go to a school and learn.

   By Enforcer on Saturday, December 24, 2011 - 04:20 pm: Edit Post

No because most chokes ai lewent in my little time with bjjw ere oxygen chokes designed to cut oxygen out. However, I briefly was intorduced to one where you use your forearm from a sidemount wuile hooking both hands. However, it usually wasnt as effective and although people did tap out to it sometimes I dont know if they would actually loose conciousness or if ai could actually kill someneif they had no chance to tap out from it. I think it would be more effedtive since you can get up easier in case of multiple people on the street though. Ince your knee on belly and you can quickly turn around or get up.

Keep in mind thst your hands to clasp together its that they arent all the way around the neck with it.

   By Tim on Sunday, December 25, 2011 - 01:27 pm: Edit Post

You are talking about the "nutcracker" choke, it is more dangerous than techniques that cut off the blood supply because there is the threat of injuring or collapsing the trachea.

The Nutcracker and similar chokes that apply pressure directly to the windpipe are banned in Judo competition, but are legal techniques in BJJ and submission wrestling.

   By Enforcer on Wednesday, December 28, 2011 - 03:45 am: Edit Post

Yea that's what I thought. I figured if you do it at a lot of power you could do damage you may regret. I mean if they have no chance to tap out or go out before they can or something.

   By Enforcer on Wednesday, December 28, 2011 - 03:50 am: Edit Post

This is the exact technique I was talking about from the knee on belly:

If they dont tap is it possible to choke them out with it or is it mostly a pain move designed to make them flinch and tap?

   By Enforcer on Wednesday, December 28, 2011 - 03:54 am: Edit Post

Basically the reason I ask because I think this would be a perfect technique to use in a self defense situation right after a hard throw, but only if it wouldnt kill them and be able to choke them out even if they dont tap. Like after lifting them up and throwing putting the knee on belly right away even before going into the mount.

   By Tim on Wednesday, December 28, 2011 - 09:25 pm: Edit Post

In order to cause unconsciousness with the Nutcracker, you will have to maintain enough pressure to stop air from passing through the opponent's trachea for as long as the opponent can hold his breath.

It is much safer and quicker to apply a strangulation technique.

   By Enforcer on Thursday, December 29, 2011 - 06:58 am: Edit Post

But, isn't a guillotine a similar attack in the sense it attacks blood floe and the trachea rather than stop air flow? It seems to cause unconsciousness quickly..

   By Tim on Thursday, December 29, 2011 - 11:23 pm: Edit Post

A properly applied guillotine squeezes all around the neck, the opponent goes out quickly primarily because of the squeeze at the sides of the neck.

   By Enforcer on Friday, December 30, 2011 - 05:10 am: Edit Post

Ok thanks. So I am fuessing the type of a guillotine where thhe opponent's arm is also wrapped is less effective than just the neck? Also the way Jon Johnes used a twist on it, does thst make it more effextive or just easier to hold?

   By Enforcer on Friday, December 30, 2011 - 06:45 pm: Edit Post

Also, does the qmount of time they qre unconscious depend on how long you hold the choke fter theyre out or is it just the same as long as they are out fully?

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