Iron Body training

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   By ElectronicSaiyan (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 03:38 pm: Edit Post

I was doing a little reading on the web about Iron Body training. Just about everything was either ads for a school or ads for a book. I understand the basics and such. However, I am not a believer in the concept of 'chi', 'qi' ect. but I do believe that many of the exercises used to develop the said power have actual physiological benefits.

Anyone who even glances at a book like "Gray's Anatomy" (I'm planning on going to college to become a sports doctor after I graduate highschool next year) knows that the simple diagrams of the human body shown in books on weight-lifting and other exercises and martial arts techniques is errounously simplified. I have heard that over 200 muscles are used when performing simple dead-lifts. There are muscles on top of muscles on top of muscles in the human body.

I also do believe that the mind can be used to a much greater extent to make full use of the physical body (not telepethy, telekinesis, ect.) but instead can be used to make your body heal itself easier (we all have read about hypocondriacs and how their mind makes them sick) and it can also be used to make your techniques more power, faster, ect.

The entire point of my post is this. I want to learn about these iron vest/golden bell exercises. How do you perform the exercises ect. I know about the inherent dangers, damaging the joints, brain injury through a decrease in blood flow caused by certain positions, ect. but I think that if there is anything to these exercises they are well worth the risk. (You can kill/seriously injury yourself doing any martial art)

I have meditated consistently for the past 4 years. I have also done martial arts consistently for the past 4 1/2 years at a school. I have stopped going but I have a new goal. To become the most capable fighter possible. I think learning even some basic iron shirt (whatever you want to call it) exercises would benefit this goal. I know I have become quite damage resiliant from my training. I have been kicked as hard as possible several times by skilled taekwondo fighters with the ball of the heel into my bare skull without even suffering a bruise (but my nose was a little tender to the touch for a week that one time when it took the blow instead of my skull :-) I also enjoy swinging an 80 lbs heavy bag as hard as possible and simply standing in place while it strikes my abbs. I also somtimes just bang my head against it for fun without actually feeling any pain.

Could someone show me a web site that shows actual training technqiues and exercises?

   By Kenneth Sohl on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 09:14 pm: Edit Post

Electronic, you may want to take most of the "chi-gurus" with a dose of salt. Some rather accessible "iron shirt" foundational training would be okinawan Uechiryu's sanchin kata, or Hung Gar's "steel wire" set.

   By Mark Hatfield (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 11:33 pm: Edit Post

You got some damage every time, you may just not have been aware of it. Some of it accumulates.

   By Kenneth Sohl on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 02:24 am: Edit Post

Electronic, on that note, you may want to take into consideration that the gist of such training is to harden the body through isometric exercises, the striking comes much, much later (many don't do it at all), and is VERY gradual. My understanding is that the original purpose of this training was to stimulate one's internal organs. It seems MA training should teach one to avoid blows.

In SPM, after long training to harden the muscles, a wooden roller is used across parts of the body one wishes to train. This helps avoid calcium deposits and bruised bones. Frequent bruising of bones can apparently lead to bone cancer. I've read that practitioners of Goju-ryu who practice a version of sanchin have an unusually high rate of stomache cancer, as one of their ways to test their focus is repeated striking of the abdomen (which should be filled with air, NOT tensed).

My first year of training saam bo chin raised my blood pressure considerably, but still a little under the danger level. I was advised to keep tension from rising above the dan tien.

   By Michael Andre Babin on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 10:56 am: Edit Post

There are no easy answers to such a question. Traditional training was often unscientific and aimed at short-term results because of the need to go to war or more gradual (hitting the body with a leather bag to which you would add one pebble per day) over a course of months) and aimed as much at stimulating the qi and internal organs as creating fighting skills.

Sadly for those who think that the internal arts imply "softness", some form of contact is essential for teaching the basics of fighting whether that is through grappling or boxing. Beware of any teacher who claims to know "the secrets" of self-defense if you have never seen him get struck or thrown. And, sadly, there are plenty of these available.

By the way, iron shirt skill/training is relatively useless unless you also learn how to fight in the sense of being able to counter-attack as you are attacked and learning how to close the distance between you and the attacker effectively.

Self-defense skills are only theoretical for most modern internal martial artists as they have never been hit except by accident while training. While it is better to give than to receive (to paraphrase from an excellent old book of strategy); it is also true that even the best fighter will get hit and being used to that contact is what makes him or her capable in the first place!

   By blakelyneal (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, June 05, 2006 - 11:50 am: Edit Post

has an "iron body master's kit" and I bought it yesterday :D

they have great info on there, also they have a forum which I am on very often my username is Blakelyneal

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