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so was the drunken fist he learned in the opera school totally made up or some master of it taught part of it or what?

totally made up or some master of it taught part of it or what? WHAT?

Somewhere in the past of every style, there was a teacher who "made-up" what he passed on to his immediate students who then transmitted, with greater or lesser skill, whatever was to become tai chi, hsing-i, pa-kua etc.

hello
i've been practicing drunken boxing now for about 2 years, i had experience in TKD and Wing tsun b4 i `began Drunken boxing and i gotta tell u all DRUNKEN SYSTEM IS THE HARDEST MARTIAL ART EVER because simply you do everything and your body's abilities should be able to do any move from any other martial art, so the style is so unique but unfortunately, some people just made the art suck by thinking that the art is Jackie Chan's movie,,,,NOOOOO the art existed loooong ago b4 Jackie and its unique and i gotta tell u all MARTIAL ARTS ARE NOT TO BE COMPARED because a bad drunken boxer will be beaten easily by a silat or a ninja practitioner, you gotta master or try to master your art unheeding of other arts THEY ALL LEAD TO THE SAME THING and also you should try to avoid fights not indulge in them and the most important thinkg is to find a GOOOOD teaacher thnx

Quick comment about old-school movie kung fu and the opera training of stars like Jackie Chan and Sammo Hung.

They were drilled in real martial arts by lots of different instructors. The thing is they emphasized the visual aspects, not usage. They all became really skilled at performing the moves and forms. They could look like real masters of any style they demonstrated. But like Jackie Chan once said in an interview, he doesn't train to fight. He trains to look good in the movies and not get hurt doing stunts.

Thanks,
Richard

Tim, the one throw you kept from Drunken Eight Immortals - I guess you never found it in any other styles you studied? Is it very unique? (Since it seems that most throws are similar from style to style.)

Re Jackie Chan: didn't he learn from two experts in Taiwan? Zhang San-something or other and another guy?

tim,

what's your take on sacrificial throws on the street? i've never been particularly convinced about groundfighting in streetfights because you lose the option to run, and it's easy to get clubbed by another guy because you're not moving, but that's just my personal opinion and preference.

Mozart,
It's usually never a good idea to go to the ground in a streetfight. Sacrifice throws are just that, a sacrificing of your upright mobility because you had no other choice (hence the name).

People who don't practice sacrifice throws are much more likely to end up in an inferior position if they are caught in a takedown.

i agree sacrafice throws many grapling tequniques are not the answer for a striker but i would also recomend you start crosstraining grapling in a sport form to start at least i would say judo is one of the best forms and it cross trains well with mauy thai you will see aplications like during kata gatame the scarf hold shots to the body with the knee alot of moves depend hevily if they are just for practice or if you plan them for competition or street aplication if you are planing for street going to the ground for any trained fighter is not bad u just have to use your training instread of trying to graple them focus on your traing droping knee smashes to the body and downward elbows to the face 9 out of ten fights go to the ground if you dont take it there you may have no aplication for your striking when it does i would recomend you start grapling it is very usfull in a fight between a striker and a grapler the grapler will win 8 out of ten times focus on bare hand strangulations like hadaka geema as well as arm bars and shoulder locks leg locks are virtuly useless agains a trained fighter your arms arnt stronger than his leg srry dude and with the armbars there are many usefull standing aplications wristlocks and throws using them have there place but not in a real fight a strong drunk oponent can rip there hand away with standing arm bars find the pinky and push towards the thumb at the elbow you can also stike but that is only for serios ••••••• the guy up you will break his arm but my general coment is cross train no fighter can limit himself to ether grapling or striking in the days of mma pushing out a bunch of tough cats crosstraing but still there grapling is weak focos on it if you must chose between traing grapling and striking chose grapling takes a long time to get down i would say 3 years you can be good 5 years to actuly have your knolege in your pocket for every day use and striking is natural it comes to every one it can be refined but the room for improve ment is not there i would say condition your knees elbows and knuckles for striking im sure you have a few methods haveing a strong striking backround but basicly it comes down to hitting •••• hit every thing around you as much as posible but dont go to far you wanna be able to hold your dick up to take a piss when your fifty and cats punching brick walls wont be able to another bit of advice is once you start looking for a club to train grapling dont listen to a bullshit speil go off of what your hear if you are in the martial arts comunity you will find somebody recomending someone good but if it doesnt fit your style dont keep up with it but do find some thing else there are alot of great grapling clubs dont limit your self to judo you might be more interested in giless grapling in a grapling club look for places traing hevely with sparing the way to learn to fight is to fight and and practice doesnt make perfect practice makes perminent if you practice some thing wrong a hundred times it will be engraved in your mind wrong so listen to your instructor but also realize his style might not be yours find a sense willing to work with your curent skills body types and what feels right to you pce man catch ya on the flip side ps srry for the complete lack of grammar my way of sticking it to the man

I checked and The Man doesn't read this site. So, your only sticking it to anyone who'd like to read your posts.

whoa, i felt like i was talking to mike tyson for a minute there. Is that you mike?

A vid of Bruce Frantzis that I have shows him first performing what I believe is a "freestyle" form of drunken. He supposedly learned that while in china. He then demonstrates using it on a number of students. Even if he is just making it up or cant really use it, I have to say, he did look pretty drunk, haha.