I was wondering if these were valid styles or techniques that had real applications. Thank you for your answers.

Dim mak has no real application. It is does, then it is in healing as in acupouncture.

1. To first apply dim mak, one has to be strong/skillful to close with the opponent.
2. If opponent is well trained, dim mak will not work

I see fighters getting struck with real power on dim-mak points all the time in boxing and mixed martial arts matches. Funny how infrequently they are "downed" by such applications. ...
Having said that, it is also true that an understanding of the body's weaknesses -- whether from a medical or traditional perspective --can certainly be an asset in self-defence. It just isn't as easy as buying a book or video or attending a workshop.

Exactly. The real basis for Dim Mak stories, is sound understanding of human physiology and good technique. If you can hit hard, fast, and accurate, then you can do more damage if you know where the best targets are and which weapon is the best for reaching it.

I would normally dismiss anyone that says they are a dim mak teacher etc. and most people probably do not have the knowledge to use it effectively in modern times.

However, I believe it, only because I felt it, and it is extremely painful and literally devasted me.

My dumb ass asked once and was shown on two seperate occasions.

First time. My teacher was explaining the phoenix eye in Hakka systems. I throw a punch( I was the dummy bag) and he caught me somewhere in my inner forearm and my arm went completely numb and fell to my side and I felt such an upset stomach it caused me to take a knee.

Second time. I was thrown across the school with Push from Tai Chi and I had heart palpatations for two days.

Honest truth and I wish I had that amount of internal power.

Have you heard of the lion kill dim mak. If I applied it on you, you will go to sleep and wake up disoriented. I had this applied to me on several occasions and I felt that I was waking up in my own bedroom from a dream. It so weird.

Koojo,
I believe you should not smoke the puff puff before you let someone hit you with the dim mak.

Michael, how do fighters get struck in "dim mak" points during a boxing match?

is there a diffrence btween dim mak points and pressure points? We use to practice on these when I did jujitsu, its pretty horrible frnkly, I remeberdoind a lo of gagging but we only used them from grappling situations or fairly static, mind you expect most people have experienced a "dead leg"?

The nice thing about telvised boxing.fight matches is that they often use slow-motion replay ... Since learning a little about dim-mak I have often seen matches in which classic points on the head are hit with stunning power with no visible affect. Fighters are also routinely struck with a knee or elbow or very painful points on the torso, arms and legs and,again, to no visible affect.

The argument is often that these are trained fighters and that an untrained opponent would feel the effects immediately ... which may have some truth. However, I have always felt that it is best not to trust -- exclusively --to skills that work best in a classroom or workshop setting.

To be fair, it is also true that sometimes I have seen boxers knocked out with what looks like a relatively light tap and, in replay, the blow is shown to have landed on classic dim-mak points.

Rich, I never smoke the puff, puff. The lion kill dim mak is for real. If you ever make it to shen wu academy in Garden Grove, CA. I will show you myself. The best part of this move is that you will not suffer any permanent damage. However, there are other moves that I know that can result in broken joints. We'll save that discussion for another time.

Hi Michael, Kenneth,

Don't forget that at least with regard to boxing matches, the fighters are wearing oversized rounded gloves. So any of the points that require a smaller striking surface to really make contact will not be activated.

Thanks,
Richard

Hi Steve,

just like saki is basically a feint, dim mak is basically pressure points, with a lot of Chinese medicine theory thrown in.

Ed

Ta Ed

Does it work then? If so how is it best used, I heard there were times of day/night etc going on sounded really complicated.

Traditional Dim Mak theory is very complix, which is the key reason why it is not very useful to real application. If you are interested in it then you should study it. Go get Erle Montaigue's big book of dim mak. Just remember that the stuff that is most applicable to fighting/self defense is the fundamental understanding of anatomical weak points.

It is real, but the term "dim mak" is a sensationalistic chinese fairy tale label. LIke Ed says, they are pressure points, internal organs, and nerves that any good doctor can show you. Much of it isn't striking actually, but grasping as in how jujitsu attacks them. As for the purported "delayed death" aspects, that can be done too, but like any injury that doesn't immediately cause death, it may be treated or recovered from by a healthy individual. Also, its effects can be medically attributed to the blow, so the "get away with murder" idea that many have of it is fantasy.

The delayed death aspect of Dim Mak comes from an age and place where the medicine was based on the same information and theories as the dim mak. You would be less likely to recover from heart palpatations 100yrs ago then today with defibrilators in every restaurant, etc...

Dim-mak is a legitimate aspect of the Chinese martial arts. But don't bother learning any of it if you can't already keep someone from knocking you out or down while you consider the best point to use ...

Did any of you see the last Marvin Eastman fight in UFC. he caught what looked like a glancing blow to the forehead, went down and stayed down. He was down Longer than when he had his head thai kneed twice and chained punched about 20 times. his opponent could not even belive the way he caught him that he went down as there was no clean contact and it was a total hit and hope, that did not look like it would lead to anything. If you get hit in the right place you just go out.

Perhaps it wasn't where he was hit as much as how he was hit (as in angle of force, not amount).