Yiquan video clips

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   By year of the dog (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 02:41 am: Edit Post



These short clips feature Yao Chengrong. This is all internal based fighting.

   By Jason M. Struck on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 12:01 pm: Edit Post

they have KUNG FU JESUS!

   By robert on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 12:12 pm: Edit Post


   By Backarcher on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 01:15 pm: Edit Post

I really like that. Learn the form and then train it live. Simple concept. Neat!

   By Jason Haynes on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 08:43 pm: Edit Post

Wow beng chuan crushing kick in action !!!

When he kicks and the guy flys back that's the application I've been taught from beng chuan forms crushing kick, where you kick to the opponents kua (hip groove where your underpants sit) and they go flying back if you get it right, nice to see it in action on the lei tei.

   By Bob M. (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 12:28 pm: Edit Post

Tim, could you give your thoughts /opinions on this guy's technique/form?

   By Jason M. Struck on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 01:22 pm: Edit Post

if you want to see more IMA 'in action' there are plenty of videos of wutang masters using all kinds of strikes like these in demonstrations. They are hilarious. So this guy's student flies across the ring and that proves that your beng chuan works?

I've only ever seen demos like this, which are somewhat questionable. It seems as though IMA masters only ever want to push their 'opponents' around. How come no real fights? Why always some poor dope student? It reminds of the amazing counters of Aikido masters.
William Chen used to have tai chi applications videos floating around that where a lot like this. He would push people and they would stumble across the room and then fall. While it's most likely embarassing to be pushed down, it's hardly fight stopping.

   By marc daoust on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 03:41 pm: Edit Post

i agree with jason m.
getting pushed just piss the guy off!
how do IMA end fights,when the guy is too tired to get up?

   By BPW (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 03:18 am: Edit Post

No, when they turn their computers off.

   By Michael Andre Babin on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 11:38 am: Edit Post

Pushing is useful martially if your opponent is wearing a thick coat or is just used to being hit ... and is standing near the top of a stairwell.

Pushing properly also involves having one of your feet between his feet and under his centre of gravity or hooked around one of his feet or on top of his toes as he gets launched.

Pushing is less useful if that is all you can do and you don't survive getting close enough to do it.

On the other hand, the obsession with both rooting and pushing in many of the modern versions of taiji is ridiculous from a practical self-defense perspective.

   By Jason M. Struck on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 06:54 pm: Edit Post

the chinese have a much smaller sense of 'personal space' and are accustomed to much less privacy. Perhaps these masters truly believe that confrontations will begin with the feet tangled up...
or perhaps there's little more they could do against a resisting opponent.
if someone were wearing something like a coat, i would probably redirect my attention to their face, or legs.
I have learnt a technique, not unlike pushing to the face, but it is done more powerfully. And with fists. And faster. My master called them 'punches' or at least that is what the translator said. The same translator also explained that my master wished that I would make my opponents become fallen.

   By Ozzy Dave on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 08:04 pm: Edit Post

I think the Kicker jumped

   By yi quan (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 07:07 pm: Edit Post

i luv this tecnique.

   By Fatboy (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 03:09 pm: Edit Post

Jason M Struck, I thought you belived in MMA?, maybe not, let me tell you that once a Judo guy grabbed me on my clothing for a throw, and I banged him with a Zhang Fali palm stike/push in the chest, cause basically he thought he would try to lord it over me in a bully type mannerism, and outside of a Dojo, Dojo ettiquette was not required hence !!!. He only knew of Judo, and his idea of Chinese Martial arts was the choreography in Hong Kong movies.

He did not wan't to play, or act Mr Big after that, he experienced a fali in the chest, very wheezy queezy, his fault, assumption will trip you up every single time, he assumed Judo was superior to Chinese Martial arts, but it is the the Man not the Art that may turn out better, on the day (on the day as in they can go away train and train until they get better than you).

   By Jerry on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 12:17 pm: Edit Post

"Pushing is useful martially if your opponent .. is standing near the top of a stairwell."

Aside from pushing people off cliffs, or into traffic or a shark tank, pushing has a legitimate martial use: to get the guy off you. However, this application is not only marginal, it's contrary to the whole idea of internal arts, and especially taiji, fighting, where you WANT to make contact, and once you do you don't let go--"bu diu bu ding", don't resist but don't let go either. If you have position for a good push, you have position for a strike, joint lock or throw. Wherever you do a push in practice, you could do a strike or something else more damaging in combat.

As for heavy coats, Chen style taiji was, supposedly, originally developed for use against armored opponents. Throws and joint locks make more sense than strikes in that situation.

".. the obsession with both rooting and pushing in many of the modern versions of taiji is ridiculous from a practical self-defense perspective."

Well, when joint locks, striking, and throwing are all lost, and there never was any groundwork, pushing is all that's left. However, rooting is crucial in all striking, throwing, and standup grappling, so being "obsessed" with rooting is no bad thing. A good root is also a good start for evasive footwork, including running away.

Imagine it's 1928 and Yang Chen Fu comes to town, and has a confrontation with the local martial arts maven to see who shall be master. They're not going to fight with knives or other weapons, or probably even with a lot of striking, because they don't want to get hurt or killed. They're not going to wrestle in the dirt, because that isn't what you do in CMA. A nice freehand san shou/tui shou contest ending in maybe a throw or maybe a spectacular push satisfies honor, makes the point, and with a little luck no one is badly hurt.

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