Archive through January 10, 2006

Tim's Discussion Board: Martial Arts - Miscellaneous: Training With Tunes: Archive through January 10, 2006
   By Stoner (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 12:25 pm: Edit Post

Anybody train with/to music? If so, what do you play while you train?

I practice Muay Thai and although there is traditional music to accompany Thai arts I personally prefer rock n' roll. I have put together some interesting kick/punch combos to the opening riff of 'Purple Haze' by Jimi Hendrix.

Crazy huh?


   By Tim on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 05:54 pm: Edit Post

Good idea Stoner,

Since coordinated movement is based on rhythm, rhythm is power.

Practicing to music is an ancient concept. The ancient Greeks learned martial forms to music (Phyrric Dance). The ancient Chinese taught martial techniques to the rhythm of drum beats.
Thai and Burmese boxing matches are always accompanied by music.

More modern arts like Capoeira are also played to music. And don't forget Taebo.


   By Apprentice (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 12:27 am: Edit Post

wow, who would have ever thougth that a "stoner" would have a good idea
i'm just joking there man but that is intresting. Tim, what do you think would happen if someone fought listening to death metal? (really heavy stuff)
then country? (really slow stuff)
you think this could effect them a lot due to the beat and rhythm
ttfn
apprentice


   By Big Bald Betty... (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 10:58 am: Edit Post

Hey Tim,

The ancient Greeks used to lube themselves up with olive oil and train naked to - you think that is a good idea to???

If you do - I'm friggin' coming over to your school! How freakin' progressive of you.
You want to see rythem, I'll show you rhythem.

The naked and lubed up Betty...


   By Tim on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 07:26 pm: Edit Post

Apprentice,

Death Metal vs. Country? I've no idea.

Betty,

I'm allergic to olive oil.


   By Mr Jack (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 09:06 pm: Edit Post

Please, please, please!

That is the lamest thing I have ever heard.

You Never train to music.

Actions must come from internal rhythm.

The heart is the drums and the lungs are the bass.

Movement based on external rhythm is reaction – not action.

It is following, not leading.

“One must always lead the attack. Battles are won with offense” - Miyamoto Musashi.

You must act, not react.

“More modern arts like Capoeira are also played to music.”

Capoeira practitioners had to use music and mimic dance as its roots came from those who were forbidden to practice fighting.

“Since coordinated movement is based on rhythm, rhythm is power. “

Whose rhythm is the question? If you are following an outside rhythm you are at- best seeking to counteract.

”Practicing to music is an ancient concept. The ancient Greeks learned martial forms to music (Phyrric Dance). “

Dancing and fighting are almost the same thing, now aren’t they?

Is this the same Tim that spent years (?) in El Monte, or were you absent the day they taught Kung Fu.

“The ancient Chinese taught martial techniques to the rhythm of drum beats. “

They may have taught martial technique, but they didn’t teach ancient and authentic kung fu with a 400 year plus lineage to it. I guess lineage means nothing.

“Thai and Burmese boxing matches are always accompanied by music. “

So are cartoons. Both are forms of entertainment.

“And don't forget Taebo.”

Taebo? You have to be kidding. Wow there is an ancient authentic art steeped in tradition.

Please – Oh please let me forget Taebo.

The thing about the “take a little of this and take a little of that an mix em all together” martial arts is they lack Refinement and a proper learning apparatus.

They have no congruency.

They produce Frankenstein characters. They may have all their hands and legs, but they are robot like inhuman spuds.

Sorry Tim, couldn’t grant a pass on this one. Am I branded and barred yet?

They are trying to steal my identity because I won’t bow to the Quires demands, play their game. Oh my. What am I to do? I shall surely parish!

Jimmy would be rolling in his grave. Tisk Tisk.

Jackie Boy

P S. Ball on Betty. I lice your rhythem on this one. Arr Arr...


   By the-apprentice (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 11:34 pm: Edit Post

Apprentice here,
personally the only time i will actually listen to music is when i am just pure doing an ab workout or lifting for fun
now training, thats another story
late night in the silence with nothing but yourself to think about thats my kind of training.
your body and mind become one where eventually your body controls the mind(God bless you Mon Haw Woo)

and Tim i meant on how your body reacts to different things such as sounds
let me help you out
death metal-angry people screaming and very heavy music-it's gonna pump you up and make you raring to fight but could potentially be your downfall because you will not be thinking as clearly
country-a few yeehaws here and there but otherwise much slower and will cause you to become calmer but maybe make you think clearer

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm now how could this change all of our lives
thats a thinker
ttfn
the-apprentice
p.s. whomever is making profiles for me; whats my password??? I'd love to know!


   By Bob #2 on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

why don't you listen to some country music so you'll think more clearly and frigging register a name yourself-

It only takes two seconds. (I think)

TTFNAFU

Bob#2


   By Hombre Con Pan (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 01:42 am: Edit Post

Mr. Vincent, sure do enjoy your wit and logic. Much to the dismay of the "follow the leaders", I think I understand why Tim doesn't want to teach authentic KFSS as it should be. More than half of the people there couldn't handle it.


   By Tai Chi BOB on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 08:44 am: Edit Post

BBB
Maybe a Pankration School would intrest You?


   By Big Bald Betty... (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 09:53 am: Edit Post

Hey Jackie -

You have a little spunk! You want to wrestle the anceint Greek way. I think you would like that. I know I would.

Hey, seriously - I think your old man left you as a child and this Jimmy guy was your dadda because you certainly blow him alot.
I read alot of crap on this site and all you do is love this guy up. Do you friggin' think for yourselve?
did you go to nam to? Sound like you did.

But you are one hell of a theorist.

TaiChiBob,
Great idea. They let you bite in those schools don't they.

Hey Jackie, ain't that part of real fighting. Well, lets lube up naked and bit eachother. I'm de-liced now, how about it handsome. Maybe you can bring one of your rich broads to. I'll bite them and you. We can ride motorcycles and play outlaw. Yeah, and we can dress all the woman up like little bopeep. The other guys aren't smnart like us to know this is the real world. That's what Jimmy taught you right. You fish.


Buxom Betty waiting to get Jacked...


   By Tim on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 11:58 am: Edit Post

Jack who can't dance,

"Capoeira practitioners had to use music and mimic dance as its roots came from those who were forbidden to practice fighting."

Let me bring you up to date on some Brazilian current events: Capoeira is still practiced to music, and the Brazilians aren't slaves anymore.

"They (the ancient Chinese) may have taught martial technique, but they didn’t teach ancient and authentic kung fu with a 400 year plus lineage to it. I guess lineage means nothing."

Well, the ancient Chinese didn't teach your version of Kung Fu, it hadn't been invented yet. The ancient Chinese I was referring to were practicing to music 2,ooo years before your authentic kung fu with its 400 year old lineage. Lineage goes forward in time, not backward.

"Dancing and fighting are almost the same thing, now aren’t they?"

Apparently the Spartans thought so. I hear they were kind of bad ass in their time.

"Is this the same Tim that spent years (?) in El Monte, or were you absent the day they taught Kung Fu."

That's me. On the day I was in El Monte I remember Jimmy counting (rhythm) as we did the forms. Too bad you weren't there that day, you could have corrected him. You should have paid a little more attention to the actual method of practicing San Soo techniques and forms, you would have seen their inherent rhythm.

"So are cartoons. Both are forms of entertainment"

Whoa Jack, you actually compared a Burmese boxing match with cartoons! Credibility is a slippery slope.

PS. Jack, I was kidding about Taebo (seemed fairly obvious).


   By Heather on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 01:34 pm: Edit Post

"Jack who can't dance"
Great Tim. Now we will have the option of reading about him seducing women on dance floors across the globe with his magical thrusting pelvis.


   By robert on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 02:58 pm: Edit Post

the universe and all that is within it is beating to its own rhythm, at large and subatomic levels, and so are us humans, what is a heart beat? and what is fighting? rhythm in motion expressed through the body, also in combat, the opponents rhythm is timed and therefore predictible, to interrupt your opponents rhythm is a good offensive and defensive technique. without rhythm, there is no harmony, without harmony, there is no existence.

plus, practicing to music is also fun. especially when there is more then one of you and the other guy cant dance.


   By Tai Chi BOB on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 03:31 pm: Edit Post

BBB
Licking and sucking are mandatory biting and nibbling are options at least that is my understanding of the official 278 b.c. olympic rules.
But then again those rules are all Greek to me.
Oh and for a greek that is in a special catagory.

I do have a question--- how does big BALD betty get lice?
maybe not everything is bald? a lil' brazillian?
Or for Ed Heins a Frenchy bath mat?


   By ABC (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 04:32 pm: Edit Post

Jack V

Tim,

Did you notice the word "roots" as in history, like in the past?

Streching it aren't ya.

"That's me. On the day I was in El Monte I remember Jimmy counting (rhythm) as we did the forms. Too bad you weren't there that day, you could have corrected him. You should have paid a little more attention to the actual method of practicing San Soo techniques and forms, you would have seen their inherent rhythm."

Rhythm is an important part of kung fu.
Listening to music while you practice is a differn't animal.

Now that is what the thread was about. No?

Forms are practiced to your internal rhythm once you know them. They can be practiced to a count, (not music) while you are learning them.

Reaching a little aren't we.

Spartans? Martians? ... what next? Anything to be right. Well if you need to sooth your competitive Martial Arts ego. So be it.
Philosophy anyone?

Regards,

Jack is proud "he don't dance" Vincent

PS Stooping to Jack Bashing now? What are you seeking Quire status?


   By James "koojo" on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 05:18 pm: Edit Post

What is a "quire", is it a homosexual?


   By Big Bald Betty... (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 05:28 pm: Edit Post

Hey Jackie -
WAAH, WAAH, WAAH!!!

You looking for a new Dadda.
"OH Tim, look at me, look at me - did you notice me Tim. I need some approval from you."

Hey Tim, you his new father figure.

"Now that is what the thread was about. No?"

It was about you and me getting lubed up and biting eachother moron.

Let's dance the dance of the full moon harvest -

La Bettyina


   By James "koojo" on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 06:33 pm: Edit Post

BBB, don't come down of Jack. He's just kidding, joking, being a comedian. I find him very funny. Who would honestly believe in all that crapola?


   By Tim on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 07:12 pm: Edit Post

"what next? Anything to be right."

As long as we're clear that I'm right.

Hey Jack, did you know Ted Sias back in the day in El Monte? I asked him about you and he couldn't place the name.

Gotta go now, the choir is about to sing my favorite song.