Some great Greco techniques, watch for the last throw on the clip.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3147787588586301851

was that like uchi-mata into suplex action?

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oh no. that was pretty straight harai goshi, right? After looking at some san da and some UFC and BJJ, and Shuai Jiao, the first conclusion I've reached is more about there many similarities than with their differences.

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Right. There are only so many ways to throw someone down.

i couldnt see it, but it sure did sound nice.

was that like uchi-mata into suplex action?

yeah, uchi mata is a powerful greco roman throw.

Those were just basic "backarches" and frontbodylock throws done by a powerful greco phenom! The one throw in question was a basic bodylock done across the hip. An Uchi-mata or harai goshi would be illegal in greco-roman wrestling.

The concept is always the same with any efficient throw, but sometimes things happen, positions happens and you take what you are given. You create on the spot.

i was just trying to point out the similarities. it certainly looked a little like harai goshi, the way that he kicked his leg up at the last second. it ceratinly seemed as though he was spiraling the guy around his hip, based on, at least in part, his use of his right leg. My thing is wow, small world.

"... spiraling the guy around his hip..."

That was amazing!!!!!

Greco-Romen is only upper body throws right, where is the cut off for what is considerd upper body? can you not use the hip at all?

The leg or hip can "block" if it was naturally in its place, but it cannot be placed or in any position as a barrier or tool.

Sounds like a hard rule to enforce. Are there any good greco-roman tapes I can get, with techniques?

Nice clip:
At this point I have only watched it one time, so at a glance I respond.
I do believe most of the throws are what I would call "suplexes" or "double under hooks" the last throw on the clip does have a Hari Goshi flavor to it I believe the translation is "outer reaping hip throw" and that seems to be what happens with the Tori's (throwers) arms wrapped around the
Uki's (throwees) waist which makes sense in the absence of the gi.
definitely not a Uchi Mata (inner reap)
Overall a great clip and excellent responses and why I continue to return to this site.
I just whish I could make to Shen Wu more often you guys up there near the school are really lucky.
with my best intentions
Jamie

Wrestling resourses:

Dennis Hall: 2 on 1

Dennis Hall: Over and Under

Randy Couture: Fight to Win Series

Ken Chertow: Underhook Series

Richard Salamone: Wrestling Plan(Excellent)

I have other good greco resources, but they are no longer available.

Oh, it's not a difficult rule to enforce...especially when you play by them a lot.

The best book on the market on Greco-Roman wrestling:

"Greco-Roman Wrestling" by William Martell.

For those interested in comparing the last throw with Judo throws, it most closely resembles the "O Guruma" (big wheel) throw.

Or Ogoshi (no leg use)

http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/ogoshi.htm

Thanx for the info guys!

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Greco Roman wrestling is a great example of sport vs. combat. Originally designed as a killing art, remember the Greeks ruled tha ancient world for awhile, it later was modified for the games on Mt. Olympus.

It does not take much imagination to imagine a belly-to-belly without turning causing the opponents head to smack chin first into the dirt breaking the neck.

As well rolling an opponent across his shoulders for points was a modification of another spine craker death move.

Laugh all you want at two man sets designed to slowly and as safetly as possible teach killing arts, their is no other way.

Of course if we were back in ancient Greece or Rome you could simply go into the ring(circus) and practice on live opponents. The upside you get to kill! The downside- you can get killed.

One ancient roman Emperor actually used to go into the Circus Maximus (Big Circle) and fight condemned men and slaves. He had a real gladius and the slaves were given lead gladiae to weild. One of the slaves hit the emporer in the head and killed him on the spot.

A new emporer was appointed post haste and the slave was executed.