Hey guys here are some Tomiki clips, they sure seem hard to find! I did a search and couldn't see that they've been posted here before.

http://www.shodokanaikido.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/aikido/videos.html

-Chris

thanks for the post

interesting throws, picturing the kids as mini ueshiba's made it alot more entertaining.

I Don't understand why they don't use their "knife" (short taped stick), makes the hole thing seem much less feasible.

I noticed that as well. I thought the idea was to attack one partner with the fake knife while the unarmed partner tries to defend. But the guys with the "knives" didn't seem too aggressive.

The nage (thrower) didn't even seem to worrie about the "knife", several times he grabbed the unarmed hand instead, that just doesn't seem like good training to me!

-Chris

You fight the man not the knife. It is the moment that makes the difference and the weapon is another variable, however once the fight begins all is according to the moment.

so, Guru (Jack)... if a guy is fighting you with a knife, you think it's a good Idea to grab him by the unarmed hand?

You can't train knife stuff unless the guy holding the knife has head gear on so you can give em a good dig/atemi, the attacker with the knife should be padded for this realism in training, Aikido when dealing with a knife wielding attacker "will" most certainly include atemi
(I prefer training fingers to eyes, having been poked in the eye in a fight I can vouch for it's effectiveness and it even had a blinding effect on the other eye which was not poked which is wierd)
in the video clips are we looking at Tomiki free sparring? or competitors in rounds at a competition?

You fight the man with the knife.

If you don't control the knife hand, anything else you do won't amount to much.

I think it's rounds from a competition, I'm not sure though.

I agree that in a real fight, fighting includes strikes, eye gouging, shuto fists and what ever else you can throw in that you think will work, that's why it's a REAL FIGHT.

Competition and training are a different' animal though. I train and compete so that I become a better fighter, not so I win fights. If it's harder to stop someone wielding a knife when I'm not allowed to strike them, then that just makes my training better. It would be like if you tied one arm behind my back and made me fight a guy with a BB gun, I might not do well at it, but treating it as if it were a real practice (maybe my arm got chopped off by one of the 12 samurai I just killed, and now I have to fight their crime boss lord who has a stylish 1978 smith and Wesson revolver) it only makes me better. Ignoring the knife, and doing poor judo however doesn't make me better. I kind of think Tomiki isn’t much better then normal Aikido, they both need to get their stuff together!

-Chris Hein

Bawahhha... what if you pull a knife on the guy who pulled a knife on you is that like a counter? is it more effective with a ten gallon hat with corsksrews on strings and an australian accent ?

"maybe my arm got chopped off by one of the 12 samurai I just killed, and now I have to fight their crime boss lord who has a stylish 1978 smith and Wesson revolver"
Thanks for clarifying what REAL FIGHT is.

no problem.

dont forget the all time judo joke. (to be said with a spanish accent)

"I know judo too! judont know if i got a gun, judont know if i got a knife..."

i really got tired of hearing that one.

That's still a funny joke.---I never want to be cut.Who knows where that blade's been,...so,safety first,says I.And with that said ,when someones got the knife held out you are watching their focus.It can be monitored.I fear the knife not seen more(behind back etc).Put a shoe on your hand and get it,or wrap twisted clothe on you hand and nuetralize the bugger.Not enough time well usually,but I've seen alot of 'stand-offs'.The last time I had to disarm a knife on the street I feinted to the head ,did a chinese style outside cresent(done like flicking mud off toe)to knife-wrist,seized disarmed-arm and, hip-throw with attacker's back pinned to a hydrant.four to 5 seconds I'd say.

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