Drunk Boxing (Zui Quan). Does this style have any actual fighting praticality. I have seen one gentleman on the net and he says that it is a system and teaches for fighting, just wondering because it is a unique style in the movies.

Guest,
Thre are "traditional" (non-performing) systems of Zui Quan, usually divided into Northern and Southern styles. Both are practical for fighting. Interestingly, the Northern system (Zui Ba Xian) is one of the few Chinese sytles that includes a relatively large number of sacrifice throws and ground fighting techniques.

That would make sense since those damned drunks are probably constantly falling over.

I thought sacrifice throws aren't practical?

impractical for what?

If your goal is to throw your opponent, sometimes a sacrifice thow is a good method especially if your opponent is skilled at avoiding throws.

The 'sacrifice' just means you go to the ground with the opponent- so, that would ONLY be impractical if you are not well rounded on ground fighting.

Enforcer,
Why would you think sacrifice throws aren't practical?

because you could get hurt on the cement by hitting your head when you hit the ground with your opponent, because he could be better at ground fighting and when you fall this could be his game, because there might be people that wont let you get up that are your enemies friends, because he could pull a knife and unlike if you were standing you cant run away?

Enforcer/Unmatchable = Blakeism.

Trolling, trolling, trolling

That's not trolling, those are valid points. The problem is I didn't ask about the dangers of ground fighting in the street, I asked why sacrifice throws were impractical.
Enforcer is confused about the use of sacrifice throws.

For many martial artists, a sacrifice throw is a big suprise. Even if the guy has a good root, a sacrifice could easily break it. Now once youre on the ground you had better know at least some grapling, If only for escape. As far as * Drunken Immortals sacrifices, many of them have you fall on to the opponent, usually on a locked joint or other vaunerable area. Serious injury to the opponent is all but assured if you get one of those in good.

Tim, have you had he chance to learn any of the 8 immortals stuff or have you just seen it?

I think a sacrifice throw might be good for someone good with ground fighting and who is looking to submit the guy or put him in some sort of a choke, but for me since I cant ground fight and only have history fo muay thai and boxing I wouldnt do it. Id rather throw them on their back or something and wait for them to get up or escape before they get up. And I wouldn't want to hit my head accidentally on the curb either.

By the way back on the topic of drunken fist. I thought it was a made up style by Jackie chan and the real drunken boxing is just a set or a few sets divided among a bunch of styles like hung gar, choy lee fut, or eagle claw where each school has their own unique flavor? Someone (Jon) on dragonlist however posted that there is an authentic 8 immortal style but it is so rare no body knows it exists and they actually look like in the drunken fist movies with jackie chan where they try to take the cup with wine away from each others wrists. SO I don't know.

Enforcer,
There is a drunken fists system(entire system). I saw a few forms at a school's grand opening once and I have got to say... it is very cool, but is very demanding... I can see why it became so rare.

Choy Lay Fut and other styles have added "drunken" to some of their forms also.

The best thing I have seen is drunken monkey sword play.

Chad,
I never studied the Eight Immortals. One of my Xingyiquan teachers had practiced some when he was younger, and had me practice some of the basics and a few techniques (I still use one of the sacrifice throws). I would like to have learned more, but the style is hard to find.

Tim,

Same boat here. My teacher did it when he was younger and taught me the basics (walk and such) plus a couple of really good techniques. I would definatly love to learn more but most of the stuff I see is the performance style or wushu or whatever. Too bad really, the little that I saw is really amazing and the techniques are cool. I am always hoping to stumble (no pun intened) across somone who knows it and got kinda excited seeing your post. oh well. The search continues.

so where did Jackie Chan learn his drunken style?

Probably in the opera orphanage he was raised in. He said in an interview that he learned many styles of kung fu in the opera troop.

Many of the performing styles of martial art were formulated in the Chinese opera troops.

so does he have skill? By the way in his book he mentioned that he learned bak mei in Hong Kong I think.

I read an interview and Jackie said he had forgotten most styles in re to forms etc.

However, he remembers one and practices it alot... that is Bak Mei. He said it is the best for fighting(for him). I agree... I love Hsing I and Taichi, but I always seem to fall back on my Wing Chun and Hakka styles for fighting.