Systema, Russian military art or "Empty force"

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   By Doug on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 07:29 pm: Edit Post

"Systema" or Russian military art. Check out Mikhail Ryabko, Vladimir Vasiliev's teacher, at a seminar he gave last year. Ryabko says he learned his art from a bodyguard of Joseph Stalin.

   By CoolHandLuke on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 01:32 pm: Edit Post

Uh Huh.

I am having a hard time discerning the "wriggling" from the real. bout a little "Seeking of The Straight Thru The Curved" in "The Light Thru The Fog "...or "The Hammer From The Sickle"

Oh well I'll give it a rest.One of Mao Tse Tung's "former bodyguards" is waiting for our lesson.

Otherwise I'll be left to search for another "secret system"

Say...does anyone know where "Che Guevara's"
old bodyguards train?

   By Mike Taylor on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:52 am: Edit Post

"I have seen and enjoyed most of Mr. Vasiliev's [Systema]tapes, the similarities with the Chinese Internal styles are often remarkable..." -- Tim Cartmell, 14 Dec. '2000 posting (see "Concepts" "Under Pressure???" string)

   By Steve on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 03:41 pm: Edit Post

On the Systema forum it was explained that the videoclips are not an example of 'empty force', but an awareness drill meant for the 'uke' (person being thrown).

If you want to read more about it, the Systema forum is at


   By sterre veenhuis on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 09:23 am: Edit Post

Interested to read something about Systema? Here is a mailing form Meibukan Magazine:


Dear Martial Arts Fan,

Meibukan Magazine #3 is out!

This issue with:

An Interview with Vladimir Vasiliev
A Brief History of the Russian Martial Arts
Principles of Systema
History of Goju-ryu Karate, Part 2

   By Tim on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 01:45 am: Edit Post


Thanks for the link.

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