Kajukenbo

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   By G (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 05:24 am: Edit Post

I've just been going through my pakua journal cd and while reading about Vince Black it mentioned Adriano Emperado and Kajukenbo.
Just thought it sounded interesting.Has anyone trained in it or does anyone have any information on it?
Thanks in advance

G


   By Kenneth Sohl on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 08:08 pm: Edit Post

no.


   By Tim on Monday, April 14, 2003 - 08:21 pm: Edit Post

Search on Google, you'll get a ton of sites.


   By Mike Taylor on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 01:12 am: Edit Post

G,

Kajukenbo: KArate-JUdo/ju-jitsu-KENpo-BOxing is a mixed martial art developed in Hawaii late last century by about five martial artists, each with his own expertise. These gentlemen got together & decided amongst each other what their respective art's strongest points were & then they encorporated these into one new system that they named Kajukenbo. Mr. Emperado is one of the founders of Kajukenbo.

There was a Kajukenbo school in Chino, California about 7 years ago. A (now former?) Orange County prosecutor was an instructor there (that school & instructor -- Mr. John Bishop I believe -- may still be there). If you're local, then you may want to check it out...

But if you are local, then I would suggest taking Tim's Shen Wu class; and if you're not local, then I'd suggest you travel out this way, or, get Tim for a Shen Wu seminar series (check with Tim to see if there's a group already studying Shen-Wu in your area).

Start developing a strong base with several months of Shen Wu study. Check out Kajukenbo later.

Shen Wu is solid, no-BS, street-oriented martial art targeting the development of efficient movement & appropriate strategies (based upon natural reactions & common sense) for surviving common, self-defense situations. This, or something like this should be the base that you start with (& a standard by which you view other art forms). It's well worth the study.

Tim teaches Shen Wu in clear, no-nonsense English... well, OK, a little bit of nonsense... as you'll discover that Tim's got a good sense of humor.


   By G (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 10:03 am: Edit Post

Tim, Mike thanks for your replies. I've read back over the article and scoped around a few sites on kajukenbo. I suppose what I was wondering about was has anyone sparred or fought with any kajukenbo fighters and is it as brutal as its made out to be.
As for checking kajukenbo or shen wu out at the moment thats a no-no Im over in Ireland and as they say its a long way from here to there. I have a couple of Tim's books and to be honest though a lot of it is above my head at the minute I think their extremely well written. If Im ever over your way I'll definitely drop round.

G.


   By chirstopher hein (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 06:32 pm: Edit Post

I had a buddy who studied Kajukembo, I pounded him regularly, however he wasn't a black belt, and of coarse i'm a powerful freak of nature.............


   By Kenneth Sohl on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 07:59 pm: Edit Post

It seems to me if it were truly that brutal, it should consistently produce seriously injured people on a regular basis, if not dead/crippled. But then, perhaps I'm some kind of reactionary.


   By g (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 - 07:30 am: Edit Post

Maybe he didnt get to the dealing with freaks seminar!!
Kenneth I dont know I havent seen it but if you read the interview with Vince Black in the Pakua Journal he talks about Emperados concept of Embracing pain as you might an old friend i.e not saying here comes the pain and wincing but running forward arms outstretched. Anyways Im neither for nor against this kind of attitude I just thought the interview was very interesting and thought provoking.


   By Kenneth Sohl on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 - 06:12 pm: Edit Post

Hmmm, I thought one trained so as to avoid (unnecessary) pain. However, not to give credence to freaks, I must point out that while such an attitude can cause much damage to the student, when used with thoughtful restraint, it can help dissipate the more debilitating effects of fear. I would be interested to read that article to see in what context Emperado's expression is used.


   By Kenneth Sohl on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 - 07:34 pm: Edit Post

One more thought on the subject: it might seem macho to take pain, but I wouldn't want to train to take the brunt of a blow lest it be one designed to cripple or incapacitate rather than just make you hurt. On the other hand, one shouldn't let it take your mind off your objective.


   By G (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 12:51 pm: Edit Post

Yeah its in Pakua Journal Vol3. No.3 . I think personally that reading the interview Black is saying that an effective fighter is not scared of getting hurt maybe Kajukenbo took that to an extreme but its true for all arts.


   By Mike Taylor on Friday, April 18, 2003 - 12:43 am: Edit Post

The ol' movie "Sharkey's Machine" (starring Burt Reynolds; Dan Inosanto's also in it; nevertheless, it) covers the topic of pain & fear in fighting fairly well.


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