• Archive through September 01, 2003 September 01 - 02:40 pm [20]

Michael,
You say you tell your students to get into fights? I understand the up side but do you understand the downside. You will,when you get a call to identify one of your students in the morgue.
I know on this board this will be the unpopular opinion but this is ridiculous.

Think happy thoughts.

I will do something I rarely do, which is give free internet legal advice. Mr. Babin, encouraging your students, either directly or indirectly to get in street fights is a good way to find yourself named in a civil suit and find yourself bankrupt.

If you live in California, I can assure you that if you have enough money to make it worth their while, a good California personal injury attorney can "invent/devise/develop" a legal theory making you liable (in whole or in part) for your students street fights.

Also, (I just got back from teaching an evidence class) posting in a public forum that you encourage your students to get in street fights is a nice bit of evidence the plaintiffs attorney can use.

Now of course if you don't have much money (as for example I don't) then you have (as do I) "poor boys immunity" from civil suits.

Having said all that I certainlly agree that fighting breeds fighting skill. But there have to be lots of different venues for that other than the local bar.

Plus, and I say this with some hesitation as I don't want to be labeled an "old lady", but there is a moral side to that advice. I don't think it is real responsible to encourage ones students to go out and "set up" chances to fight just for practice.

I realize that the current "gangsta style" is that martial arts is not supposed to have anything to do with character, it is just about "kicking ass" but I am from the Old Skool that thinks martial arts+being an adult+showing some responsibility; are all supposed to go together somehow.

take care,
Brian

I see from the previous two postings that I had forgotten how difficult it is to communicate on internet discussion boards and it's partly my fault for failing to use those revolting "emoticons" or whatever they are called.

Although, if you had both bothered to pay attention to my words "tongue-in-cheek"; you might have realized that I don't seriously tell ANYONE to get into fights...

I guess I'll go back to reading and not posting ...

Tim, perhaps I should have substituted "skills" with "muscle memory", but you still have to develop them before you can use them. Mr. Kennedy, the old school truly was "gangsta style", which is why practitioners were often held in contempt. Mr. Babin, I could see the non-serious nature of your comment without a knee-jerk reaction. If some parasitic lawyer tries to sue you, count me in as your witness.

Now I remember why I don't bother with real/serious advice..what you get for your trouble is a bunch of b.s. back at you.

Babin you wrote, "I also tell them, only partly tongue-in-cheek"...well, partly tongue in cheek means, in english (no charge for the english lesson either, glad to help out a fellow martial artist) that someone tells somebody something half as a joke, half to be taken seriously with the emphasis on "take this seriously".

Sohl, don't presume to tell me how it is, or how it was. I doubt whether you know much about the past or the present. Oh, and stop the constant slagging of attorneys, that is a real knee jerk reaction.

But anyway, thanks you two for the Brian lesson learned which is: charge jerks for legal advice.

take care,
Brian

Mr. Kennedy, by "parasitic" lawyer, I was not including you in on that description, just the kind of attorney who would seek out such opportunities, as we constanly hear about in papers and on TV. My own limited experience with lawyers has all been positive. So, am I to take it that I am mistaken and that asian martial arts were originally for the purpose of developing character?

I could be wrong- but I think the developement of character was a side-effect of Martial Arts (just as good health is/was).

The martial arts were created by people who had to fight tooth and nail to save their farms, families and villages from bandits.

I doubt some illiterate farmer thought that if he developed more character his harvest was less likely to be stolen and his wife and daughters less likely raped.

No, Mr. Sohl, I agree with you 100% that the original purpose of martial arts was (as I put it in one of my articles) "fighting and getting paid to fight..". That premise runs through much of my (half finished) book.

When I said "past" I was talking about far more recent times (i.e. the 20th century) when most martial artists studied for some reason other than fighting. I did not make myself clear on that. Sorry about that.

Also sorry too that I jumped on you about the attorney slagging. When I sit here and think about it, I slag American attorneys all the time in my classes. So I am critizing you for doing something I do in public all the time.

Brian

Not alot of side-effects 'in evidence' here. I guess if your knocked/fall off your high horse it takes 'character' to dust your self off and jump back on again (maybe a little wiser and more circumspect), rather than pack that old rocking horse up.

Thanks for clarifying, Mr. Kennedy. I'm rather particular about the sources of info I use to form my ideas, and your article was one of them.

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