• Archive through September 15, 2004 September 15 - 09:59 am [20]

Gerardo, if your nose was severly broken then maybe the force of the blow caused the nose bone to touch the brain. This would account for the stars momentarily. Professional boxers get surgery to remove part of the nose bone. This makes the chance of the nose bone being driven in the skull and killing them greatly reduced.

Also, if the person had considerable reach on you, did he weigh much more than you? The bigger a person is, the thicker and bigger their bones are. Greatly reducing the amount of force they actually feel. They can also hit harder easier too. In his book Jack Dempsy (another man who hit with whole body power and is also considered one of the greatest heavyweight boxers in history) recommended never sparring anyone weighing more than 10 or 20 lbs more than you even with big gloves. The chance of injury is great. Also he recommened that anyone who is a heavyweight (175 lbs and up back then) to try to avoid sparring with someone who had more than 30 lbs on them.

A friend of mine went to a boxing gym for a while. He weighed around 150 lbs but all they had for him to spar with were 190 lbs or so people. Some of which had a few pro fights under their belts. My friend never went down for the count. Sure, they could make his nose bleed with a jab and he got knocked down sometimes, but he was never knocked out. The instuctor would always say to everyone at the gym, "This kid's got heart. This kid's got heart." And that's what keeps you from getting knocked out. Of course in Marciano's case it was probably a lot of heart and a ton of good genetics.

Tsurugi, thanks for the link. Great article, and great website as well.

Aint no sich ting as a nose bone. No can one drive it into the brain. Old wives tale. However the brain is surrounded by a thin layer of liquid which helps to cushion it. Under a strong blow the brain can strike one or both opposing sides of the skull. This can cause disorentation, temporary or even permenant brain injury.

Mark,

According to "Grey's Anatomy" which is basically the bible on the subject.:

"The Nasal (nasus, the nose) are two small oblong bones, varying in size and form in different individuals; they are placed side by side at the middle and upper part of the face, forming, by their junction, "the bridge" of the nose."

It goes on to describe the bones in greater detail. For those who say the nose is made of cartiladge, yada yada. Are you retarded fools? The nose is made of bone with cartiladge anchored to it. Cartiladge is just bone with no calcium to harden it.

I do not know for a fact if the bones that make up the nose can be driven into the skull. I do know someone who was hit in the nose by a boxer's uppercut that missed his chin. He said he felt a stabbing pain in his head for a second. There seems to be a lot of people who say its true and a few people who say its not. But the people i've seen who say its not don't have most of their facts straight.

p.s.

FEAR ME. FOR I WILL BE A SPORTS DOCTOR IN ONLY LIKE 8 MORE YEARS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Mont is right. I knew a guy who sneezed just as he was bending over to drink from a water fountain- hit the spout with his nose, driving the bones up in to his brain killing him instantly.

By the time the paramedics arrived I'd laughed so long I had muscle cramps in my stomach. Fortunately his kids where so distracted by my ROFLing they didn't realize their dad was kaphut.

Seriously, I nearly had the vapors.

Mont, I have my own copy of G. A., have had formal education in anatomy, and some years experience as a medical professional.

It might be simpler to put it this way.

Get your hands on a skull, real or synthetic. Actually touch and look at the bones and cartilege (or remaining connections) you mention. See for yourself what there is that is available to be broken, what route it would have to take, and what it would have to be pushed through, to get to the brain.

When you have done this, both my statement and the text will become more clear.

Try calling a local high school, hospital, or doctors office to locate a skull. You can also get them mail order, I don't know what current prices are.

I can't take it any more...

I never heard of an actual case. A lot of Barney Fife "commando" types swear by it, though.

On the other hand, current findings suggest that the brain is holographic in nature, so that our minds may be able to repair memory and mental functions even though there is damage to the brain.

Therefore, if it is true, we'd better tap into our abilities to think our way back to life.

Okay, I just mail-ordered my skull. Now what did you say to do again? LOL!!!! This is really funny. Shenwu guys are hilarious.

I've got some human skulls if anyone would like to borrow one. I may even have one or two with the nose still intact- I'd have to check.

I tried my hand at shrinking heads in the 70s but only succeeded in boiling them clean and ruining my mother's favorite spagettii pot. I thought they'd make cool keyrings should I ever become a long-haul trucker. After grounding me, Mom forbade me from big rigs till October 31, 2007.

Bob#2

Mont,
You can't drive the nose bone into the brain.

But, like Mark pointed out, even a relatively light blow to the forehead can cause the brain to strike the inside of the skull causing disorientation or unconsciousness.

Thanks for the information Tim and Mark. Too bad most martial artists I know believes in it. I guess its the martial arts dojo myth and I fell for it having even read it in books by 7th and 8th degree blackbelts, books by kung fu masters and so on.

That really is a sigh of relief for me, always trying to figure out how to minimize the vulerability of my body's weak points. (Knees, nose, throat, groin, spine). That's one less thing to worry about.

Anyone hear of the "it only takes 5 lbs of pressure to break a knee?" or some other small, arbitrary numer always less than 30 lbs Hmm, that means if I am running and I suddenly stop and turn I'm gonna really mess up my knee. I've heard of some really big football linemen doing this with cleats on but I've never heard of it happenening to smaller, athletic players.

By the way Gerardo, I'm not an "official" Shen Wu guy. I just sit around at home in PA sponging all the information I can out of Tim and his students. So if I say anything, don't think that Tim had anything to do with it. I'm also 17 next week so I'm automatically a know it all. LOL. I really wish I lived in CA so Tim could beat some sense into me with his Beng Quan.

p.s. For clarification, when I said I didn't think Tim could ko Marciano with his Beng Quan I meant with one hit. I think sure, with several hits even somone as tough as marciano is going down. But I was betting on Marciano charging into range and unleashing a 20 or 30 punch barrage with his wickedly fast hands to every part of Tim like something from one of my favorite Japanese comic books, nuff said .

Also, if Tim managed to stay away from his punches he could most likely kick his legs to hell. Though Marciano did have some tough, big legs and could most likely take a few kicks without leg conditioning.

Mont. Have not heard that particular figure, but if that were correct it seems there would be hundreds of times more people with non functional knees. The effort needed can vary with the strength of the joint, how much it is flexed, how much weight is on it, is it static or in motion, is there other torque already on it, is only the ball of the foot planted or only the heel or both, the angle, force, and placement of the blow, etc.

FYI I will be 51 next week and don't know as much as I used to. Nor am I (and a number of others) a Shen Wu guy, but do find things in this forum worth sorting through the BS for. However, I do devoutly desire that perhaps one day I can meet Bob #2 so that I may be permitted the honor to worship at his lotus feet.

Happy Birthday Mont.

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