Anybody practiced this set? What does it consist of and why do you have to abstain from sex for three months? More to the point did you have the jump test at the end of it.

I volunteer to be the jumper, for the jump test, I will jump from a ladder and land on your face you may well loose some teeth, this is because I have not opted to land on the stomach! Oh no, through trickery I jump about 2 and a bit feet to the left (keeping in practice wiht the Taji classics feint to the right hit to the left) and land on the Wudang adepts face the one area where there a lot of chi escapes from! as I have noticed in most Wudang practitioners this is where a lot of Chi escapes from! hence that is why there will be loads of damage, when I land on the persons face, and they loose their teeth and get big fat lips, to go with their big fat mouths, any takers?

Wow, who tinkled in your Wheatabix, Tester?

i think the evil chi monster did.

Im the trouble starter, punkin instigator
Im the fear addicted, danger illustrated

Im a jumptester, twisted jumptester
Im a jumptester, twisted jumptester

Im the bitch you hated, filth infatuated C yeah
Im the pain you tasted, well intoxicated

Im a jumptester, twisted jumptester

Im the self inflicted, mind detonator C yeah
Im the one infected, twisted animator

Im a jumptester, twisted jumptester
Im a jumptester, twisted jumptester

The 12 Yin exercises are taken from a Shaolin Buddhist Qigong Form and embelished slightly to give a taiji feel to the exercise, they are just Shaolin Qiqong, there is a Shaolin Qiqong DVD/CD recently published in Beijing which has them all in.. ha ha !! Not quite so secretive now is it !!! Although they are called different names they are the same exercises!

jumptester, that was whack. especially when you say dumb •••• like "C yeah" to take up space and make it fit, only whack people do that.

Mr. "self inflicted mind detonator" ROTFLMAO

"ladies and gentlemen, jumptester has left the building!"

Hey those are the words to Firestarter by Prodigy but Jumpstarter has just been substituted for Firestarter

Dude you need to know your popular pop music !
Are'nt you the one who's silly now?

just for that, prodigy sucks. he dont have any tight songs anyway, maybe only one or two. pop music is gay music.

I'm interested in what Old Bhudda Palm has to say, Bhudda do you have the name of the CD/DVD?

This is an old argument. Although no-one can say for sure, the evidence to suggest that these are Shaolin exercises is sparse compared to that supporting the view it is tai chi.

The 12 yin exercises can be found in 2 different lineges dated directly back to Yang Lu-chan. If you accept that Yang was a master in tai chi chuan, then the exercises he taught were tai chi.
The buddist connection arises from Ching Yat, who was taught by the renegade from the Manchus Wang Lan-ting.

Of course until anyone actually sees this DVD, if it exists at all, no one can tell if there's any similarity. You should also ask yourself how often in life you really will get a DVD off the shelf that will live up to its promises at such a bargin price.

So which are the 2 different lineages dated directly back to Yang Lu-chan?

(1)Yang Lu-chan, Yang Pan-hou...Cheng Wing-kwong (although Nei Gung was said to be deficient)

(2)Yang Lu-chan, Wang Lan ting...Qi Min-xuan.

With apologies for spelling and missed out generations.

...and just for luck...

(3)the Yang Jia Michuan school gives a lineage of Yang Lu-chan, Yang Ban-hou, Wang Xing-wu, Wang Yen-nien and they teach nei gung too.

> (3)the Yang Jia Michuan school gives a lineage
> of Yang Lu-chan, Yang Ban-hou, Wang Xing-wu,
> Wang Yen-nien and they teach nei gung too.

Lots of schools do some kind of Nei Gong. The question is if they teach the same 24 excercises Nei Gong as in the Docherty / Cheng Tin-Hung lineage? Do you know if they do?

There was a thread discussion this on the emptyflower a couple of months ago too. If I remember correctly there were some other people doing the same excercises through a Yang Ban-hou lineage also. Interesting...

Best regards,

Mattias Nyrell
Linköping, Sweden