Stronger vs. Technically Better: Tim's ratio

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   By Taiwan 69-73 (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 12:09 am: Edit Post


When one becomes a teacher his importance and welfare should become secondary to his students. It is the student who will carry the knowledge of the art around in his mind. It is he who will represent the art he has learned. It is he who will determine how people view the art. Indeed, it is he who is the future of the art. I have trained some who did not become great martial artists but I never trained one who bought shame to me as a teacher, or to my art. Simply put there are some people who should not be given the knowledge.


   By marc daoust on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 03:05 am: Edit Post

dear charlie,
i don't like talking about myself,but i enjoy it!?
i started at 10 in teacher wasn't much
of a teacher but he enjoyed watching us beating the crap out of each other!!!
by that i mean we didn't do katas,but he conditioned the crap out of us,and then made us sparred like hell.if someone would go down he would look away,and then later turn around and be like "what happened?".he was hardcore,but i'm glad he was!he taughed me hard work!
then when i was 16 i was a bruce lee fan,got all his books,and trained on my own at home on my bag
and sparred at some jKD school.
then i got into judo for 3 years,i liked it but
i didn't like the ground time limit.
soon after i started in BJJ under relson gracie.
i trained 4 years under him,but 1 year was spent
training with him full time in Hawaii.
i even lived in his house for a month,while
i was looking for a place to live!
i even went to strip clubs with him!!!
then after that i started training MMA
with this guy named Obake,in florida.
he actually trained Coleman before he won the 2000
pride GP.i was with him for 2 years.
i learned a lot!!!and i got my first 4 MMA fights
(4 wins)
then i moved in oregon to train with team quest
so i have done 3 years of mma or so.
i took a year off at some point and all i did was
IMA and "chi gong".it was good but i got fat!
ps.sorry it's boring stuff,but it's really what i've done!!!

   By Taiwan 69-73 (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 03:17 pm: Edit Post

Hi Marc,

Sounds like you've been around a little. Reading this I don't know who your IMA teacher was but you shouldn't have gotten fat. Most of us (IMA teachers) push physical conditioning pretty hard. Also, if you haven't picked up on it by now, most of us not only cross train but insure that our students get a good deal of cross training. As you age you are likely to suffer some injuries that will tend to limit your ability to roughhouse on a consistent basis. I would urge you to take another look at the IA. It is more likely that you will be able to continue with the MA into old age if you are involved in the IMA.

Also, I am an old guy who's been around the MA for many years. I know that you, like all of us, have your opinions. But, my friend, if you want to garner the respect of the old guys who've been practicing so long you need to temper your opinions just a little. By that I mean, give your opinion, but also respect the opinions of others. Don't ridicule so much.
Don't let your temper get the best of you.


   By marc daoust on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 01:59 am: Edit Post

dear charlie,
i get your point and i really do!
i do use some IMA stuff that i feel benefit
what i do!some day it's probably all i'll do!
for some reason that i'm not sure about,
some people react more when i challenge them and their opinions?
opinions is all we have.

   By Bob #2 on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 06:28 pm: Edit Post

now it makes sense. You post like a person who firmly believes opinions is all you have.

   By Jason M. Struck on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 10:14 pm: Edit Post

i have a new gi.

and a training appointment to keep

   By marc daoust on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 12:52 am: Edit Post

what else do you have bob?
a cool, original name?

   By Bob #2 on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 01:21 am: Edit Post

for you? Sure, try this one:

Marc 'The Opinionator' Daoust

   By marc daoust on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 02:06 am: Edit Post

that sounds like a guy that has nothing to say neither,but his opinions.
so what else do you have,other than your opinions?
maybe something funny?

hey, i got one for you too,
bob "the boobynator"#2
ps i like that name you got for me!
at least no one can say that i'm not truthful!

   By metalkin2u (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 12:32 pm: Edit Post

Hey Charlie

"If you want some real meaningful fighting you should consider joining the army or the marines. As an infantryman you would likely get more fighting than you want. If you want a real test of courage there is none like doing your duty when your life is on the line."

Did you train your students to compete?

You sound like you were into building strong character. Did you give any of your students lessons in character.

Or did you teach them to fight and if they tried out what they learned, you'd dismiss them.

Did you teach them to fight for thre right reasons?

Or to not fight at all.

Was there any steering wheel training or just give them the knowledge and see where they take it.

I believe people who have not reached a level of maturity and development should not be taught martial arts.

Take the story of Marc Daoust. It developed a person who has little sense of civility. Why would you want to teach the power of martial arts to uncivil people? It seems as though he has trained with teachers that have no sense of humanity/civility - the posts speak for themselves.

I would prefer to spend time with powerful people who have humanistic values. Not people who are hung up on who is the best (at least in their opinion). And what is meant by "the best?"

The best at playing a game by someone else’s rules. Organized public competition is nothing more than a game. So what are the followers saying, so and so is best at this game?

That seems rather shallow to me.

You seem to have your head on straight... what’s your view?

   By Fatboy (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 07:17 pm: Edit Post

His view is up his own arse admiring the sunshine that shines afar from it !!!!

   By El Me (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 07:36 pm: Edit Post


Such angst. I might like you.

Well lets give him a chance now shall we. They have tried to put all kinds of words in uncie J's mouth. Spit em all out of course.

I'd like to hear it.

What say you Chuck?

   By Jason M. Struck on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 12:11 am: Edit Post

this was once a thread about the significance of physicality or athleticism in martial arts. I was enjoying being told I was wrong to rely strength training to make me a better fighter.

   By Taiwan 69-73 (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 02:52 am: Edit Post


I did not commercialize. That allowed me to be selective when taking students. I have never had any desire to teach those who lack integrity, or concern for others. I had no room in my class for bullies or troublemakers. Occasionally one would slip by initial screening and get into class. There are ways to insure that such as these don't stay.

The first thing I told my students was not to misuse what I taught and if they did I would throw them out and never teach them again. I taught them to avoid fighting if possible. I geared the training to street combat. If they needed to defend themselves I made sure they had the tools. Fight if you have to defend yourself or others.

Competition should be at the discretion of the student. Some schools force students to compete within their association or organization. I've always felt that was a money making game. I wasn't interested in getting rich teaching the martial arts. For the most part I made enough to pay school expenses. Those of my students who chose to compete acquitted themselves well including those who fought professionally.

Who or what is the best? That is a matter of the perception of the individual. Anyone who claims that he or she is the best, well that person has a real ego problem. I said in another post that no man calls himself a master. That is a title that is given by one's students and peers. My students called me sifu. As to being the best, I have never been satisfied with my own level of achievement. I have always sought to improve, to acquire more knowledge. If I thought I was the best I wouldn't bother.

I served in the U.S. Army for six years. Ninteen months of that was in Vietnam. I was an infantryman. I fought for my country because I believed that was my duty, that I owed it to my country. I am proud of my service.

I hope I provided the answers to your questions.


   By Fatboy (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 03:42 am: Edit Post

Bawahahahahah !!! Charlie you should have played Obi Wan Kenobi, you sound perfect for the role!!!

   By Taiwan 69-73 (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 02:45 pm: Edit Post


You would have been one of those rejects that never got through the door of my school. If you had managed to slip through you wouldn't have lasted long. I doubt that you could even have endured the conditioning, afterall you are a fatBOY.

   By Fatboy (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 03:21 pm: Edit Post

Bawhahaahahah!!!! The super calm master methodology has chinks in the armour !!!
Your just a self agrandizing adult old timer, maybe you should take a leaf out of your own book and spend more time training and living up to your own standards that you seem to want to preach to everyone, the fact of the matter is NO ONE CARES who your masters were, who you trained with or how good your are, except for your own EGO chump which is bigger than the two of us...

Go get a hip replacement Grandad !!!

   By marc daoust on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

metal, i might not have any civility,but
when it's gonna be time to fight i'll be on top of it all!!!
but you in the other hand,you'll be hidding behind your illusions of "i am humble""i know MA".
but that is not going to help you in a fight.
compititions might only be to know who's the best? but it gives you an idea of what fighting
is like!BUT YOU only have delusions of what fighting is really like!

   By Fatboy (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 01:57 am: Edit Post

If we are talking fighting for real in an uncontrolled arena I know that I can be knockedthefuckout or bad mashy facey with just the slightest of bare nuckle strikes, so I try to avoid being hit aswell as being thrown or grappled, it's amazing how a fighters confidence in their ability to hit a target rapidly drops like a hot brick when they hit thin air several times in a row !!!

This is a much overlooked area of training, you guys should try just to dance with your sparring opponent who is trying to hit you. i.e a pre agreed you are doing the hitting and I will only try to avoid being hit, no block or parries just avoid being hit. I'm sure some of you train this but if you don't you should try it... trust me!!!

It's hard to hit a moving target. Best Technique is not to be there !!!

   By marc daoust on Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 02:49 am: Edit Post

from your own words;
"try to avoid being hit as well as being thrown or
so what do you do play PS2???????
ps it's not because you can't hit a moving target,
that we can't?????
fatboy,one tip for you;get thinner!!?

   By Fatboy (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 07:41 am: Edit Post

Hey 2BC I am in great shape, lean and mean, I'm not Fat and for sure I would whoop your ass for REAL !!!!

Daousty I bet you can't hit a moving target, you remind me of this dude when I was on holiday who lost his temper with a punch ball machine at the seaside fairground (cause he was shown totally up by me with my highest score and a derogatory smirk in his direction) he just had to try to beat my high score, but skimmed the ball totally breaking his hand on the back of the machine, Oh By the Way the dude just had to wear his clubs "UFC/MMA T Shirt" yea for sure he just had to let EVERYONE know he trained in MMA a real Gropeller, he ended up looking a twat with his broken hand !!!!

You can't hit a moving target Daousty at least not without trying to grab and gropple a handfull of Man Thigh, Ass or Balls...

Now get the outta my face !!!!

   By talkin2 Jack (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 10:06 am: Edit Post


I too never taught publicly. I like your style. The baby heathens who know no decency and frequent this discussion are a perfect example of why teachers must be discreet regarding knowledge. I also turned many a person away and had 90 day to dismiss a student at any time without explanation.

Philosophy was taught daily.

Most people in martial arts are either interested in making their students great fighters of becoming great in fame and fortune without ever considering producing great people, great humans.

Most of theses boys are staying in a period of extended adolescence, still playing GI Joe. People who fight know the difference. People who merely compete think that fighting is a sport. Real fighting is not a sport. Sports have rules. Real fighting does not. Sports have winners declared by a system. Real fighting has winners declared by whose policy prevails, there is an agenda that manifests contention. If left unresolved it escalates into conflict.

Kids, even well into their forties, do not understand this, as they have never had to wash the blood off their hands or their souls.

Even if they spar or compete, until they are in the field and faced with maiming or killing they remain martial voyeurs, peeking into the window of combat.

Right on compadre - nice to have you aboard.

   By Grazing Grasshopper on Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 12:46 pm: Edit Post

Question for Taiwan 69-73. Do you have a motto that hangs on the front gates or doors to your dojo? If not what would it say?

   By Taiwan 69-73 (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 04:18 pm: Edit Post

talking2 jack,


Grazing Gasshopper,

Do your best!

Little Fatboy,

Ooh, you are such a stud. I'll bet you wear a pink, formfitting spandex uniform with cute little, lavender booties and a lavender cape. Of course the letters FB in lavender on the chest. Grow up!!!

   By marc daoust on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 01:39 am: Edit Post

fatboy you want me out of your face,you're gonna have to do it yourself!!!
you keep doging on MMA,but those guys train harder than you ever will in your fat life.
i don't beleive you're lean and mean,i think
you're fat and dumb!!!
i bet you are a kung fu moron that thinks he knows everything about fighting!
you don't know ,and i'll kick your fat ass.
you never told me where and when????

   By Fatboy (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 03:13 am: Edit Post

Wrong assholy hole 2BC I keep doging on you the MMA dumbfuckwit wanna be (wannabeafaggetty more like) who thinks he quite good at MMA and is hedging his bets on thinking he can bully down at the local Kung Fu school, hey try walking into a few of them "unusual" schools in Harlem or the Bronx dude and issue your UFC challenge, what you upset the Psychotic instructor and he chibbed you? Oh dear

As for Kung Fu Grandad who wrote
"Ooh, you are such a stud. I'll bet you wear a pink, formfitting spandex uniform with cute little, lavender booties and a lavender cape"
Yea whatever if you keep on talking to me in such sexual inuendo, and being so much older than me, you could get a bad reputation!!!

Grandad you rant about soo much respect, and martial virtue, your full of it, shiiite that is!!!, I have seen tramps and drunkards with more honour than some of you so called "Sifu's"

   By Taiwan 69-73 (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 12:35 am: Edit Post


You're right, I shouldn't have stooped to your level. The more you post the clearer it is that you don't know anything more than what you've read about the martial arts. You have no integrity whatever. You just post to insult everyone else. The pink uniform was reference to your belief that you're a super hero and my belief that you're too much of a sissy to be anything more than a big mouthed wimp.

Since you're clearly over your head and beneath my dignity I won't bother to respond to your nonsense in the future.

   By marc daoust on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 02:51 am: Edit Post

fatfuck,no one has a clue what you are saying???
we would all get mad but we are not sure what to get mad about???
so when you sober up get back to no one!
and we will not get back to you.

   By Fatboy (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 04:51 am: Edit Post

Hey Kung Fu Grandad you and I both know your full of it !!! I'm betting you will post a reply to me very soon!!

Oh and make you mind up, first you say you should'nt have stooped to my level ? Then you call me a big mouthed wimp???

Man against God, God against Man, Man against Nature? Very Funny Religion !!! If your so above me and such a Sage you'll have no problem working that one out Charlie, as for 2 Brain Cells Daousty forget it dude, your right you don't have a clue what anyone is saying, you even need a basic hand grabbing exersice explaining to you when Tim had allready explained it !!!!!! Bahwaahahahahahaahah !!!

I'd love to see you try and twist and turn you brain around learning some Baguazhang...Bahaaahahahaah !!!

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