Let's go ALL real. Be a MAN and show it with some action.

Enter a NHB match, enter a UCF, enter king of the cage. Step up and back up that BIG mouth. Oh yeah your skills are too deadly. You've got all that real skill and can't show it. Please.

All your talk'n sounds the same. Tired of it. whine! cry! KEEP IT REAL...BULL SHI* All your talk proves you've got nothin. Be like these Shen Wu brothers. Just cry cry cry about who has real skill. Show all this "real" skill. You enter a real competition and you hit'n dirt and tap'n out just like all the other sorry kung fu fighters.

You've never faught anybody real...give me a break.

When I see BT vs. old Sharmrock, or BT vs. Gracie then you got props. All i see is BT vs. Keyboard fighter 1-1000. BT vs grandpa. PLEASE.

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Its funny, in the 50s it was Judo, in the 60s it was karate, in the 70s it was kung fu, in the 80s it was ninjutsu, in the 90s it was muay thai, and now it is groundfighting. Earlier this year, there was a kung fu tournament in Fort Lauderdale. A bunch of brazilian jujitsu guys showed up and got the crap beat out of them. Guess when the rules of a tournament don't favor your particular type of fighting, things don't always go as planned.

I'm anxiously awaiting the UFC when a guy overpowers his steroid enchanced opponent with love and a big friendly hug.

wow, looks like we shouldn't have left the 70's.

hey Roberto Numeros Dos..

what happens on your 70's porn videos isn't going happen in the ufc cage... now if two women did that then my 80's porn collection would be redundant ..

hum

stc

can't you losers take anything seriously??

we take you seriously..honestly... we do

Kenneth,

You said, "Earlier this year, there was a Kung Fu tournament in Fort Lauderdale. A bunch of BJJ guys showed up and got the crap beat out of them."

Really?

Do you happen to know what BJJ academy they were from, or what belt rank they were? I'm skeptical of your story for a couple of reasons. One, why would BJJ students enter a tournament where clinching and grappling are not allowed? Second, "sparring" in most Kung Fu tournaments is a kind of light contact, progressive sparring with pads on the hands and feet. It's hard to believe anyone gets "the crap kicked out of them" in these tournaments.

Your story has the ring of "and one time, at band camp..."

No one uses steroids in the UFC, you must be mistaken.

-c

P.S. heeheehoho Ha Ha HA!

Sorry if you don't believe me, Skeptic, it did happen. The matches were a San Shou type of thing held by a karate guy actually (I heard he felt this was the next big thing and was trying to get on the bandwagon) and was full (albeit padded) contact. As I don't know what school these BJJ guys were from, I must confess you have a point about their authenticity. Like all the phony ninjas, IMAs and Pak Mei masters out there, I suppose it is possible they were from some Judo or Karate club who had read a lot of the Gracie's books and viewed their videos, seeing as how these arts have gained notoriety in recent times. But as for why someone who did one thing would enter a tournament with a different set of rules, I have seen quite a bit of that among arrogant people who thought their art was "unbeatable". Now, elsewhere on this board, Tim mentions that grapplers aren't arrogant, just IMAs, so if that is the case, then perhaps these guys really were frauds as you suggest. But I have been around long enough to be,er...skeptical about so-called "unbeatable" arts, and that includes jujitsu.

Kenneth,
Not ALL IMAs, just the condescending ones that talk before they fight.

Kenneth,

If the Sanshou fighters were to enter a BJJ tournament, they would have the crap beat out of them as well. Different rules you fool. You let a grappler enter a striking tournament or vice versa... What do you think is gonna happen? Who ever is in their own element is going to win. We were talking about UFC, Pride, or King of the Cage, where all the styles get more or less, equal treatment... Actually strikers get better treatment because the ref will enforce the standup rule if it doesn't look good for the fans, and the ring/octagon is padded, so when the strikers get taken down, they don't even need to learn to breakfall correctly.

BJJ, read my post again slowly and let it sink in. You will find I have already acknowledged that they were out of their element. This tourney was in West Palm. The reasonings I attribute to this group are sheer conjecture on my part, but I couldn't think for the life of me any other reason why someone would do that. As for all the cheating ref and pads stuff, I wouldn't know.

Do most people on this forum actually think UFC is a really fight. Just because there is a little blood it has as many rules as most conventional MA comps. Do people actually think Ken shamrock or any other MMA guy would hold his own in a fight with a dopped up psycho with a broken bottle. He would be checking into the casualty ward if he fought like he does in the cage. It is the same as guys who do a little door work and think that just because they and four or five other hevyweights can throw a 60 pound drunk out of a club that they know how it is on the street. Reality fighting they better hope they are never in a real fight because they will end up maimed or dead.

qui chu ji,

You are absolutely right. Ken Shanrock couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag for real.

Maybe someday he'll wake up to the realities of real martial arts training, and you can teach him to stand in funny postures and do forms.

qui chu ji, no matter how good their skills, I don't think anyone would find the notion of facing a doped up psycho very pleasant. Fighting under those rules is what enabled Shamrock to develop his skills in much the same way that striking a bag (which doesn't strike back) develops power. All training methods have weaknesses. That is why you vary them as much as possible, instead of putting down the ones you don't like or understand. Nevertheless, you make some good points that most weekend warriors never consider.

I often wonder where people like qui chu ji (who most often have never practiced any form of combat sport, have never competed in MMA, have never sparred with any competent combat sports athletes and usually have little or no real fighting experience) get their ideas from.

For some reason, they like to believe that super fit, highly skilled, extremely athletic combat athletes that condition and spar hours a day for years on end with equally talented and trained fighters are somehow no match for some untrained, out of shape neurotic nutjob that gets high.

Does the combination of mental instability and illegal drug ingestion somehow produce super fighters?

If I had to go into a bar full of badass streetfighters intent on kicking my ass, I'd certainly rather have Ken Shamrock watching my back than a mental patient that dropped acid.

I think people who wear silk Pj's, and think about what fighting must be like are far more capable of defending themselvs against a drugged out weirdo! Guys like Ken Shamrock, who is in really good shape and actually fights people all day are likely not good at defending themselves!!

This is why all those guys in the UFC got beaten by all the traditional martial artists. It's also why bigger guys are always defeated by smaller ones, and why westen sciance has proven to be an inneffective manner of studying things. Oh and also why Star Trek is the best show on T.V. and why chickens often poop golden eggs!

Tim

I do not do sports combat that is true. I prefer to get my athletic ability from the gym. As Kenneth pointed out any form of practice has its limitations. I do some full contact stuff with mitts on etc. I also do stuff that is more controled where I could be striking points and areas that would be imposible to make work with mitts on. If you only train to make your stuff work in semi contact comps your techniques may be fast and fluid but you can not generate power if you train only for full contact you will train with the emphisis on Ko your opponent. You might miss obvious flaws like attacking your opponents groin or you might leave yourself open because you would not need to cover it in a full contact match as the other guy would be disqualified. As for your theory I saw A guy high on somthing in a club and he literaly bench pressed four bouncers who were siting on him to subdue him.