"Most people dedicted to iron vest dont fight because you cant fight nowadays."

Sure you can.

"And ufc shouldnt even be a martial art thing its just street fighting with rules. I do not mean to insult any of you. But i believe you all have alot to study and learn about martial arts before you make judgements.

okay, judge, how long have you studied prior to making that judgement?

Beathing techniques to increase muscle density and reduce bruising/pain is great. However the same results can be achieved in the gym and through normal training However this takes longer. In fact the no pain no gain attitude can lead to injuries in training/competition which can then only be reversed with surgery (ken shamrock etc). I think it is something that pro fighters and MA guys could look to put in their training, many southern styles all ready include it in their sylabus (southern mantis, Haka varient of bak mei etc). All though hard qigong can have side effects also if trained incorrectly.

kuchi ku,

all one needs is how to inhale and exhale and the ability to know the difference. "Breathing techniques" only fool people to be romantic believers in poppy cokk tales.
The final outcome rests in tough training. abviously breathing helps.

Yes, Ken Shamrock should add Southern Mantis to his sylabus. That's a great idea.

retarded - that is a great idea you came up with. Obviously your name is a front behind which hides one hell of an intelect.

Stan - who's Kuchi Ku your 15 dan shotokan teacher. I am right arn't I tell me I am. Hard chigung is pretty though training it is not just siting around breathing. Perhaps you should at least see people training in it before commenting.

qui chi ji,

you are absolutely right.

Stan - its Qui chu ji actually but what the hell you can just call me shirley. LOL. Thats a joke by the way............................ so dont call me shirley not ever.

i Haver been studying various arts for 4 years i have alos lived with a marine for 2 years and a special ops green barret thats was in vietnam for 3years ive learned alot from my masters each with a differnt opinion and yes you can fight but i prefer not to go to jial because it dont matter how tuff you are you go to jial your getting ass raped to truly become a great fighter you need years and experience i am a student i study white dragon fist arts before that i had tae kwon do training and out of everyone i met they believe whatever works for your body theres no proof one type towers over all example bruce lee learned how to fight proficienlty with his body and ive sparred people who have studied jeet kune do and i smoked them in sparring i only wish people would understand these are arts and they can be applied to combat sometimes oh and you ufc fans get someone whos studied iron vest and taekwon do for 20 years and i belive they could smoke alot of people in combat ok lata

Obviously a member of the "period-less" tribe.

Qui, aren't there two "l" in intellect?

"I am right arn't I tell me I am." Are we missing a little punctuation here?

"Hard chigung is pretty though training..." Did you mean "tough"?

Your intellect confounds me.

patrick,

Personally, "iron vest" is a waste of time so why spend the money (not you but whomever think it da bom). If one were to learn iron vest and test its efficacy, people will surely fail miserably.

One cannot stop bullets, stop ordinance from detonating or its effects (shrapnel, etc), or know when a sniper is about to hit. So some kind of awareness or orientation is needed, ability to sense something is wrong, able to move fast enought, etc are more valid training for real life situations. Physical and mental toughness is also part of equation.

Better BJJ or something other than Iron vest.
If you need to give your well earned money away, do something worthwhile for someone else.

Obviously a member of the "period-less" tribe.
hope you werent insulting me bitch!
ill fight any day •••• head wanna?

Personally, "iron vest" is a waste of time so why spend the money (not you but whomever think it da bom). If one were to learn iron vest and test its efficacy, people will surely fail miserably.

One cannot stop bullets, stop ordinance from detonating or its effects (shrapnel, etc), or know when a sniper is about to hit. So some kind of awareness or orientation is needed, ability to sense something is wrong, able to move fast enought, etc are more valid training for real life situations. Physical and mental toughness is also part of equation.

Better BJJ or something other than Iron vest.
If you need to give your well earned money away, do something worthwhile for someone else.

what you say makes sense but iron vest can be efficient in body conditioning which that all it is i never mentioned anything else though i thank you for your reply but my point is is that maybe the mind can have such a strong effect on the body that while trianing your body realeses chemiclas as to help you get better and stronger internally which is what i believe my oint is is that iron vest can be effective and not stopping bullets or snipers or explosions but it has been proven to make the blood in your body clot faster so as not to bleed to death so fast or bruise easily thank you for your time next!

Retarded - like the new name perhaps you should register it. learning Qui's way nice. Because you are so much of a better speller than poor old me, could you elaberate on that fantastic point you made earlier about Southern mantis (chow gar). Or are you just a troll with no real MA knowledge to speak of. We shall see huh.

Patrick - do you mean (lung ying chun)when you say dragon the southern style and is that were you learnt Hard qigong. Or do you study (pai lung tao) way of the white dragon. If the first one could you give a quick overview of (mor kui) Magic arm training as I would be interested in seeing how similar it is to other southern training.

Actually, Patrick, I was insulting you.

Qui Chu Ji: I understand that Pai Lum is a hodge-podge of watered-down forms from various chinese styles patched together for public sale. However, I've spoken with people who had personally known Daniel Pai, the school's originator. They say he was, despite his showmanship, an immensely powerful martial artist who's family art was an old form of bagua. He had originally envisioned the Pai Lum as a forum where artists of all styles could come together in brotherhood, but as egos, greed and betrayal marred it, he became increasingly bitter and in his final years, just gave up and went for the cash.

Kenneth - yeah that was my inpression of way of the white dragon too. In it for the cash with watered-down forms. However just incase that was the style patrick may have been practicing I did not what to cause upset. But what's done is done. I was more interested in southern dragon style to be honest. Kenneth 'Whats your style' and dont say the art of fighting without fighting because I am hydrophobic.

ok none first of all it seems you all need to learn respect of the grand masters and should not speak like that its quiete rude and •••• head i study alot of arts i do not limit my slef and they are not watered down forms you are mistaking my school with the white dragon warrior society they are for money and greed glen c wilson the new grandmaster which master pai was the only one wilson is who your talking about i would ask for the proper respect of arts i did not join this discussion for insults of the arts i do not insult your arts in anyway this is a discussion not an argument but i study in the black dragon kwoon with a respectable master who sees the art not the money i know 3 year masters and i laugh at them for thier lack of knowledge oh and by the way kenneth sohl my dragon style encompaces all of the 5 animals and several other techiniques because no one form towers over others and it seems you do not have respect for arts yeah youll get far in the world of martial arts without reapect your like a fly
I train in White Dragon Fist Arts or simply Pai Lum Tao Way of the white dragon i have studied wing chun and have based my own system which i created on the wing chun leg manuevers and principles i study hard and collect fighting manuals im sorry if i offended you but what do you study kenneth are you a super master warrior i travel to schools to talk with masters id give my life for my school because i am dedicated to the arts and what they mean to this world anytime you would like to insult Pai Lum simply yell at don the dragon wilson ok must go and yes i think some of you are respectable not kenneth though later
Patrick
oh im a low rank to
Gold Sash 6th lower level
anyone know where i could acquire a crane manual

i never learnt qiqong but my master has and he says its body conditioning sorry if i missed anyones questions just throw me an email or a reply here if anyone knows where i can aquire some manuals email me at thegokuson@hotmail.com

patrick,

are you willing to test iron vest and see how it stands up to training? whatever the answer is, it can never pass the litmus test! but again, it may not need to.

you should pursue your interest.

Qui, that "fantastic point" was SARCASM. I have no martial knowledge that I care to share with you.

A test of martial skill would be more appropriate. You can demonstrate how your Chi Kung reduces bruising.

The way you write refects the way you think, and the way you think is the mark of the kind of person you are.

Now go away before I use my "magic arm" on you.