• Archive through May 18, 2002 May 18 - 01:19 pm [20]

Yuri,
I was explaining the theory that some schools of Xing Yi Quan use to describe the relationship between the Element forms and the internal organs.

If you read my post carefully, you'll notice I never said I believe there is a connection at all.

Believe and use the force luke. oops,sorry.lol.

Hey Tim I red your web site and their is something i dont really get. You say in xing yi you line your center line up with your opponents. But usually people fight turned to a side. do you walk around them and force them into that position while relentlessly beating them or something?

The Xing Yi Quan fighter will aim his force in a unified flow from his center toward his opponent's center line. The opponent's centerline is not on the front surface of his body, it is the line that runs through the center of his mass. So it doesn't matter what angle the opponent is turned toward, the Xing Yi fighter (generally) aims his force through the opponent's center of mass.

Imagine kicking a ball. In order to kick it most effectively (put the most force through the ball) you need to kick it through its center. It doesn't matter if you kick the 'front' or 'back' of the ball, as long as you kick it square in its centerline.

That's good! Same thing with the punching bag too.

Thanks, Tim.

David

i am a student of li tailiang, and we have many talks about internal. yes, with pi quan, if you dont suck the stomache in,and push it out as striking, you have no rolling effect of the dan tien. in dai and shanxi style, we always collapse the chest and elbows in,etc,while blocking, and explode on striking, making your body closed and open, small and large, otherwise the power is just like an art like wing chun, which is mostly arms. the saying that the lungs connect to the nose is basic chinese medicine, as the kidney is related to the ears, the liver to the eyes,heart to the tongue,etc.

ine evry movement that you move, the lungs organs are used, so to say pi has alot to do with the organs in application, i think is wrong. the five elements all use qi in a different way, and stimulate different channels, that help those organs

As i understand it there are many different methods of 'open/close'. The basic body and step methods of that style are going to determine which predominate, over the various planes of operation.

To 'claim' that the Shanxi or Dai styles methods are superior could be stretching it a little, as with the wing chun mostly arms.., opinions vary, as do talent and abilities.

Let me see if I can get this straight. Pi Quan is Splitting Fist, Zuan Quan is Drilling Fist, Beng Quan is Elastic Fist, Pao Quan is Exploding Fist, and last but not lest, Heng Quan is Crossing Fist. I hope I have that right. Splitting Fist really is the principle of rising and falling. Take the axe, raise it above your head, bring it down as hard and relaxed as you can, and just before you hit your target thrust your hips forward (just like you would do to your women in the missionary) Whack! The wood has been split. Understand this movement, large or small, is the first key to all internal combative arts. More to come later, that is if you can stand the metaphors. The Iron Bastard

I can stand the metaphors. What I have a problem with is a "martial artist" that supposedly practices a fighting art but who doesn't want to sign his real name or at least a portion of it. Is this some sort of trend that should make us apprehensive? :^)

Mike Sigman

My name is Robert Fisher. I was given the name "The Iron Tortoise" by my first instructor in internal martial arts when I reached a certain level of understanding. It is an old tradition expressing both the negative and positive characteristics of a student. I prefer the negative (The Iron Bastard) since I'm a no nonsense martial artist. Sometimes to much of one. And yes, I was being coy. My apology to you Mr. Sigman and to all. With Mr. Cartmell's permission, and yours, I will continue to use the moniker, The Iron Bastard.

Robert,
Feel free to use any username you want (as long as it doesn't get me kicked off my server).

Mike, why do you use Mike when you're Walter W. Sigman? j/k have a good New Year people.

It's what my mother started calling me when I was a pup. If you have a problem with it, I can give you her phone number.

Mike

I've got a problem with it.
(actually I just want to talk to your mother again).