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Arthur,

You have already found the answers to your questions. I dont think there is anything more that you can learn about it here. People already suggested that you study under a teacher who practices sparring if you want to learn how to fight.

I posted this yesterday, but somehow it dissapeared.

Here is a local school that claims xingyi power generation, bagua footwork, self defense apps, qigong AND MMA TRAINING, and of course sparring (redundant but I put it in to make Robert happy).

What do you guys think?
http://www.kungfuchengdu.com/
check the videos.
http://www.kungfuchengdu.com/media.htm



Also I will report back about ths Sun style teacher, if he is the real deal then I would like to make it known so that future newcomers to Chengdu can have an easier time than me.

Arthur
Avoid them. I know the head instructor. You will not get what you are looking for from them.
Cheers
Jake

Arthur, when I went to China I noticed that there are few people how still practice the applications from traditional CMA and even few who are willing to test those skills in the ring. Unless you are learning Xingyi from a teacher like Tim I would avoid spending too much time with a traditional CMA teacher. You stated that your goal is to learn how to figth so you will better off joining a Sanshou club, they do spar and test their skills on a regular basis; Shuai Jiao is a good complement to this training IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_WN94BJcFc

Cheers

Sound advice William!

Thanks guys.
Jake if you have more details about why to avoid them, I am interested, but if you dont, i wont ask you again-must have your reasons.

I found a sanda club and a judo school here today.

I havent found any chinese schuai jiao schools.

Both sports promote bad SD habits in the sense that the goal should to be to end a fight within 15 seconds max in a way that doesn't put you in harms way re: other attackers, weapons, and trained opponents. I also dont like high kicks.

But both sports promote good skills for off balancing, staying on your feet, toughening the body, and moving well. Sanshou can give me a chance to work on some boxing.

IMHO Judo is better than other grappling arts at honing skills for certain escapes on the ground.
Besides that I am a huge mma and sanshou fan-mma was how I trained with some of my bjj teachers anyway-so its not like sanda is boring- it looks really fun.

I havent found any chinese schuai jiao schools.
I am putting together a training schedule for 100m sprint-sprinting is fun and maybe one of the most useful skills for a fighter.

Fighting on the ground is by far my strongest area, and the place I am most comfortable, which tells you one thing:

I have spent too much time "sparring resisting opponents" and not enough time realizing that clinching with a guy, loading him for the throw while his friend breaks a beer bottle on the back of my head is bad news.

Tim and William you guys lived in China, which makes me curious as to your thoughts-I would think this would be the place in the world that sport arts would have the LEAST carry over to street self defense (with the exception of the mongolian and tibetan regions).

After all, when you get jumped here, it is never, ever, even close to 1 on 1. Systema seems like a good training base for that kind of chaos.

Are you guys familar with Jesse Glover?
Or Adam Chan?

Brother, I am starting to wonder if you are trolling. William and Tim already gave you there opinions, yet you continue to ask the same thing in different language.

As for Andy Miles and his crew.... I too answered you. They do not offer what you want, and will not prepare you for what you are looking for.

You seem very hung up on this multiple attacker thing. First of all: if you get jumped by 5 fucktards, where are your homies?
Secondly: I would learn to fight one on one confidently before worrying too much about fighting 2+ fools!

Jesse Glover is a local cat. What about him?
Jake

Jake,

I dont post much on discussion boards. Maybe I am missing some ettiquette.
I realize the thread has gone off topic a bit (mabne it should be moved) but besides that I cant see where trolling comes into it.

You didnt answer me-the school said they train with bags pads, mma rules, qi gong, forms, weapons self defense focused too-I dont see how this is not what I am looking for.

As for saying the same thing-why I am guilty of it but you're not? I am trying to find the point of commonality between different approaches-through discussion. The idea is for the discussion to unfold in more detail over time. If thats not interesting to you, dont post.

I didnt come on to this board looking for sanshou, and looked up a school as a follow up to the suggestions made. Do trolls do that?

Jake, basically you have told me your preferences, and now dont seem to want to discuss them.

But I will say that many of your comments sound like the whole idea of self defense is foreign to you and you are hostile to it.

Some of your suggestions seem illogical (adding weapons to a sport mma school's techniques? They are just going to gel? )

I have one nervous system only and can only ingrain so many reflexes into it. Maybe it makes sense to ingrain one that will work pretty well for many situations, starting from worst case scenario. There is no reason to think that someone should learn 1 habit that is appropriate for one opononent, then another for 2 and then so on.

Instead maybe I should learn one which works well for as many situations as possible, starting with the worst case. Though there may be other habits that work ideally for particular situations, it might noth be worth it to add yet another habit, or reflex if it will make my toolbox too big.

If I am wrong by thinking this way then great-correct me, and with some actual content.

It seems to me that some styles of kung fu can teach habits that work for many situations, but I dont know that for sure. In order to give me feedback on that question-you need to be able to understand and think crticially on the differences between self defence and sport and elaborate your opinion on it. Which, mysteriously, you seem unwilling to do at this point.

best wishes,

Arthur

ps. my homies?

Arthur,

Self defense training is a touchy subject due to the fact that many ppl who claim to teach it do so based on cooperative type training. A punches B traps and trhows while A is just standing there with no resistance, and keep training this way over and over. Martial sports on the other hand after learning a technique in a cooperative setting use non cooperative sparring, A fakes a punch and applies another technique while B tries to avoid getting his butt kicked ;)

Multiple attackers is a myth we are used to from the movies, sure if you are a big guy figthing a couple smaller, un armed guys you might get a chance to do some damage, but things will get ugly if there are many opponents who are also trained or have weapons. In this situation you best bet is NOT to get in such a situation.

There is a diferent type of Sanshou that is taught to military units but that is something you might never be able to learn. They do practice with weapons and many of their techniques are not for sport use.

As for CMA if you train with a traditional teacher, he/she will make spend months in forms training before you get to learn how to defend yourself, and in many cases years! Remember that time=$$ and the longer you stay the more $$ the teacher will make, also beware of the secret techniques and related BS you will hear, this is another way to keep you interested and paying the fees for years.

Haha,

Dont poop your pants d00d, its okay. Im sure no one here is mad at you.

But from my experience, on this site, you will get better answers if you specify.

be really specific, like one liner questions.

Try to sum up your questions.

Also try to seperate them so they are clear and exact.

Hope this helps. Dont worry, ive been there.

Rob