Hi All,

Sorry for being MIA for so long. I've moved back
to Los Angeles for over two years now. Well,
driving around the valley today, I saw a new
martial art school called "Pa Kua". So I stopped
by hoping to talk to a martial art instructor.

As luck would have it, none were there. There was
a Sintonia instructor there. And she gave me the
two above links to look at. They have about 7
schools in OC. and a new on in LA. The sites has
no info. on their style. It was at this point
that I started to think I'm waiting my time.

But wanting to be fair, I want to see if anyone
knows anything about them. Hope to see you guys
at Shenwu soon.
Moved to this thread!? - SysOp 11/06/04

We shouldn't automatically judge a style or instructor based on his website; but I have to wonder about animation on a pa-kua page that shows two practitioners in Japanese style outfits and one is using a high round-house kick against what looks suspiciously like a reverse-punch.

Reminds me of the American web-site that I visited sometime back in which the Grandmasters of that style (two relatively young white guys) were demonstrating pakua weapons training using the sai and bokken ... .

Caveat Emptor

Hi Duong,

It looks like you could walk in there and clean the floor with them (judging by their training clips).

It looks a little shabby to me, aside from wearing Japanse outfits they seem big on belts... they don't seem to know there are no belts in Chinese IMA systems. (that seems like a big red flag to me).

I hope to see you back at ShenWu soon. I hope to see me back at ShenWu soon... I've been working like crazy, sickly and experiencing health problems. I'm all skinny flabby now.

Shane

I actually went into the one in the valley, and asked the Instructor kid(looked about 26-28) what style of pakua they taught. He didn't know what I was talking about. He apparently had been taught by the guys down in oc., too bad.

I know the guy you are talking about ... even tho I didn't meet him. He is away in TX for a 2 week doing a seminar. I found a link about the seminar while investigating these guys. Here's the link, http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=3773186&My token=20041026005541

Dude, the amount of people in it is crazy. There is enought people to fit into Tim's studio 50 times over. Its insane. There goes the Myth that white boys can't making tons of cash teaching chinese martial arts ...

It's the uniform.

I know of these guys well. I personally study one of the bagua forms known commonly as bagua zhang. I wasn't aware that they are big in the states until i visited the site, but i did train for a few years in argentina under them in the late 80's. They are impressive, but no bagua zhang...To help with the confusion i can tell you what i have heard, but all is rumor, i dont know if any of what i say is accurate. I have heard that the Master of the pakua organisation was once a student of I chang ming who we all know. He was then awarded the pakua system by sifu ming before his death and told to spread the knowlege. This new Master whom i had never met, though was the master of one young man i studied under...now is his 50's. The Master now is origanally a founder of Aikijutsu, i dont know the american name. Aikijutsu is a japanese art, and in the 1960's after his masters death he combind the movements of bagua with the technique of aikihutstu.

Is this the traditional way? not at all, should it be done this way? not in my opinion but it was the best i ever see for the street fight.

This is an old thread and I guess I should let it die ... but who the hell is Master "I Chang Ming", the one that Mr. Magliacano studied under, that we should all know him? The only info on the man is on websites belonging to school connected to Mr. Magliacano.

In case you can't tell, I'm bored and am going through all the threads ...

oh, I can tell.....
Maybe it is because YOU are boring?

Nope... I still think it's you boring the •••• out of me boy

hi.
I started studting pa-kua in argentina 3 months ago, and surfing websites discovered there are diferences in pa-kua and pa-kua chang, (actualy I didn't know when I started pa-kua was a kind of kung fu I read it now on websites)
this page may explain why teh white uniforms and teh belts
http://www.ohioshaolin.com/iechangming.htm

Pakua and Shaolin-Do, together in a single thread.

Can't get better than that.

the school of pa-kua was born in buenos aires, argentina, in 1976, by Rogelio I. M. G. Magliacano (student of I Chang Ming) and then the school was getting place in a few countries arround the world. now the school is very big, and it keep growing up. if someone wants to read some information, serch in the web, u'll find it.

and? whats the big effin deal?

the story of pa kua goes more or less like this: in the late 60's, master Isidro Rogelio Giordano Magliacano, an Argentinian guy who did karate (don't know which style), aikido and many many other martial arts went to korea, to a martial art competiton. There, he met a guy who told him that there was this guy, that didn't matter what he did, he wouldn't be able to even touch him. He went with this guy and as he was told, he wasn't able to touch him. Master giordano, at that time was very trained at fighting at that time, so fighting with that guy left him amazed. He asked him if he could teach him that. the guy, who was actually master ie chang ming told him he wouldn't do that. after a lot of discussion, they agreed that ie chang ming would teach giordano for a big amount of money. Giordano then came to Argentina, where ithink he must have selled even his mother or so, i don't jnow, and went with the master.
Master Ie Chang Ming taught him Pa Kua in many years by techniches that included Master meditating and four guys in every corner saying different things that were involved with pa kua philosophy, walking in circles for days, etc.
When he finished trainig, he came back to Argentina and opened the first Pa Kua school. He started teaching there, and over the years, the school got to be what it is now.
Pa kua as it is told nowadays ain't a style. It's all the styles alltoghether. That's why it's so big. And it's also big because, it doesn't take the amount of time that other martial arts take in learning. And after a year of training more or less, you are allowed to teach and have your own students, so with that you are allowed to pay your bills there. And that way you grow a lot, and believe me, there are guys here that make a lot of money with this. But they work hard. It is designed in a way that if you want to make your living out of this, you may do that. It's amazing. Also, there are other lines to learn pa kua, not only the martial art, so a lot of people can do what they like in the school. You should try it out.

Greetings PaKua bashers, ha! ha! just kidding...well seems like a lot of people don't quite understand what the true study of the 8 Changes (PaKua) is...but just to give you a tip it's not just the martial arts or the PaKua Zhang (Chang), PaKua Chuan, It's alot more. PaKua is non-competitive and non-comparative and maybe speaking for myself, there are many other Martial Arts masters who could kick my butt but I wonder how many of those same people could also heal my butt using energy ways, nutrition, reflexology, tai chi, breathing techniques and Chinese yoga and acupuncture?

Anyway, I love and respect the martial arts but I also know that as I get older it's not about just the power behind the kick or punch it's also about the mind, and control of the ego and manipulating life energy in many different ways to help people.

I must admit that there may be many deviations within the PaKua system, but one thing I can say for sure is that Maestro Rogelio Magliacano Giordano has always tried through example and teaching to maintain the true premise of the teaching of the 8 Changes and the purpose of the teaching as for helping others.

I am a PaKua Maestra and all I can say is that my black belt means nothing more than that I have still alot to learn.

Does traditional Pa Kua Zhang really have belts?

Hi Cecilia,

I'd like a shot at healing your butt.

How big is it?

wow Elliot, completely inappropriate.

Thank you Shane.