• Archive through March 22, 2004 March 22 - 04:31 pm [20]

Hmmmm . . . . what an interesting accusation,
Mr. Shane. My compliment was directed at
Mr. Ji's post and commentary on standing for the purpose of training in the internal martial arts. All I was doing was expounding on this rather boring subject. But believe what you wish. I just don't see the point of getting personal and attacking Mr. Ji. Maybe he is my long lost twin brother whom I have a special connection with. No? Perhaps you are just a weirdo. What do you say to that, weirdo?

Anos and Jw
Sounds like Shane hit the nail on the head!

Killed two "birds" with one stone!

You and your "twin" are the weirdo.
You have been "outed" by Mr Shane

Good luck finding a life
Ben

Oh no! Don't "out" me! Whatever clown.

q. c. j.

I would very much be surprised if my training compared to that of the 'old masters'. However, I do train more, and more seriously that perhaps 97% of the practicioners that I have personally known. I would train more if I could but have limitations from age, previous injuries and illnesses, and occupation.

Your point is????

Enos, it is almost certainly true that those who criticize practices such as standing have never done it enough to realize its benefits. Judging from your remarks, however, I must assume the same of you when it comes to firearms. Sure, it may be easy to gun down some idiot who gets in your face, but legalities aside, do you truly think becoming proficient with guns is anywhere close to being as easy as you make it out to be? If so, then you know absolutely nothing about it in the context of engaging trained combatants who shoot back. You also completely disregard the benefits that "martial" meditations and conditioning can impart to a shooter.

You shenwu lot are a bit paranoid. First somebody uses my name to post bollocks on the taiji forum and know just becauses somebody says I made one good point it must be me posting my own responses.

shane
man are you just annoyed because nobody ever agrees with what you say or what.

Enos
Afraid it is a moot point in my country as we are not alowed to keep guns above a certain calibre without very strict licencing and control. In my country most violence is perpetrated with blades so any MA is applicable.

Mark
My point was that I probably train half as hard as those guys so ten years of training for them would take me twenty years to reach the same proficience if at all. My point in the origional message had nothing to do with modern Vs ancient methods of practice I was mearly saying that these guys were not thick neanderthals, and would not have invented somthing that did not work. People assume that if they do this practice or that practice that was used by these old TCMA guys, and do it for a short while they should be able to do all the things those guys were capable of. When it does not work like that they say they have debunct a myth of the martial arts.

One must read carefully to grasp what I am attempting to convey in my post. I bear no criticism for the martial arts, so understand what I am conveying may be merely academic. Here are a few points, refutable or not: The period you live in defines the martial arts of your time; The society you live in can define the martial arts studied (as Mr. Ji pointed out about certain laws and regulations which dictate); If the so-called Chinese masters had firearms at their disposal, do you really think they would be standing in wuji or pi quan for long periods of time (maybe for their exercise); the art of firearms at its most fundamental level is much easier to learn, and much more lethal in its prosecution, than body dynamic intensive and physically demanding martial arts.

Let me make this perfectly clear, I am not backing down from Mr. Sohl's challenging insinuation that I know nothing of firearms and how to apply them in a real-world situation. In addition, I do not advocate the use of firearms for random use. My post is simple--the times define the martial art.

There was a very strong interest in China in firearms in the period in which Sun Lu-tang lived (pre-WW11 era) and many western gunrunners made fortunes -- or lost their lives -- supplying firearms of all kinds to the wealthy, the warlords and the government.

One of the most famous was a Canadian ex-patriate "Two-Gun Cohen" who started off as Sun Yat Sen's bodyguard, learned Chinese and went on to make a fortune in Shanghai and across China until captured by the Japanese at the start of WW11.

I also remember reading an article on hsing-i trained bodyguards in that same time and the author reported that they favoured the Mauser as it was easiest to hide in their clothing and a very reliable weapon.

Any good martial artist will adapt to his times -- especially if he lives in a time of war.

Of course, in times of peace, it is always easiest to sit in a chair in front of a computer monitor and talk about the best ways to train than to actually become competent at any of them...

Enos/Ji,

You said I'm "just annoyed because nobody ever agrees with what you say or what" show me when that's happened.

Shane

Hmmm . . . this is kind of fun.

Mr. Ji, would you like to answer this question, or should I take it for you?

still waiting.

Enos, is learning to be an exceptional guitar player easy because no heavy lifting or pounding is involved? Yes, I understand what you are saying about society in general, but a good analogy would be punching armless people ( no pun intended).

Shane

What are you waiting for buddy. get off the PC change your cloths have a shower go out and practice some MA in the clean fresh air. And keep taking your pills.

Ken

as a martial artist would you be for more stringent gun licencing controls in america. Do you think more people would do MA, maybe the wrong people who currently use guns to settle disputes. What are your thoughts.

qui chu ji
I'm waiting for you to explain why you posted "are you angry because no one ever agrees with you what".

I asked you to give examples of why you think that. that's what I'm waiting for.

I agree with Shane all the time!

Mostly because he trains hard, has fought both on and off the mat, (from the yearly shen wu tourney to standing between two dudes with knives in an attempt to help de-escalate the situation).

Mostly Shane makes good solid points that come from someone who has formed an opinion by training hard, and experiencing what fighting is like.

All this while others who talk about striking magic points, and blasting bad guys with chi abound.

-Chris

Shane

I find it hard to consolidate your image as presented by chris and what you write. I will take it as given that you are a martial artist who trains hard and knows what they are talking about when it comes to martial arts. You did not post a relevent response to my inital post on standing exercise except to insinuate that I was posting my own responses under a different user name. This is quite frankly crap. Did you in fact disagree with any of my points if you can not remember them or indeed did not read them but quickly saw that others agreed with my points and decided to write a negative response. My points were

1) standing practice is not just standing doing nothing there are numerous different exercise that use standing as a basis to achieve there aims.

2) the old masters of our respective arts were not stupid men. A number may have been illiterate but they had what we would term today street smarts. They would not have invented the previously mentioned exercise for no reason ie they must work or provide some benifits.

Disagree I am open to that. but provide your reasoning instead of just deriding what others say using the reason that you are A SHENWU GUY so automaticly must be right, while all other MA guys must be talking crap. Is that okay with you.

qui

Really the old masters had street smarts? Prove it.

I agree with Chris most of the time, but his spelling needs work.

I agree with Shane most of the time and half of the time when he is posting as Bob #2

I never agree with Qui Chu Ji because everyone knows he is full of ••••.

Willard is brilliant, so I have to agree with him all the time.

Qui-

Firstly- you were supposed to show where 'no one ever agrees with me causing me anger' not where I didn't agree with you.

Secondly- I never argued against 'standing practice' I do it frequently and I understand it's a very beneficial part of Internal Martial Arts (it may even be what seperates 'external' from 'internal'). I've gained a lot from standing.
And I understand it pretty well.

Thirdly- I've never bashed the intelligence of the old masters.

If you'd like to prove me wrong tell me the thread and date of my post.

I don't deride you because I'm a ShenWu guy and therefore think I'm always right- I deride you because you're nutty.

speaking of nutty- you've posted here many times in the last month- why haven't you setup an ID yet? (do you prefer being an unregistered guest?)

Actually, he was agreeing with you - in Toxtethian.

Shane

You sound angry in all your posts I was just trying to get to the bottom of why you feel it neccesary to disagree with people who do not have a User ID. External styles use standing practice too shane, again you show a lack of MA knowledge. What type of nut are you talking about prefer almonds myself......... You have two user IDs Shane and Bob#2 like two different personalities. Who sounds Nutty now shane. By the way I agree with you more when you are posting as Bob#2 at least he is funny.

qui you have 4 different personalities. You're like a can of Planters mixed nuts.

qui chu ji,

Thanks for pointing out that I sound angry in all my posts. I'll work on that.

If people accused you of being Bob#2 you'd be angry too!

Shane

That's the most rediculous thing I've ever heard...I have bowel movements that weigh more than Shane!

The only proof of martial knowledge I respect is a good kick in the ass which I'm willing to give or receive against anyone brave enough mouth off to me face to face.

I am brilliant! I knew someone would eventually notice. I'm also uniquely handsome.

Time, the silent asskicker.