NOW you tell me.
You know I think fight conditioning is different, or rather conditioning is specific to what you are doing. Tonight I taught a class and we did some knife techniques. I have this student who runs a lot, he just did a 13 mile competition a few weeks ago. At the end of class I did a kinda free fighting thing, where one guy would have a knife, and 2 guys would attack him. The objective was just to move, keep the knife, and cut the attackers as much as possible. It was hard for both sides, the guy with the knife was constantly being attacked from both sides, and the attackers were moving constantly, and we rotated positions quickly, keeping a nice cardio rate. When we were done I noticed that my runner student was breathing just as hard as the rest of us. I've also noticed that when I was in good fighting shape, there were some things that would still make me tire quickly, like running or trying to surf. My guess is cardio is kind of task specific, any ideas?
P.s. Bob, I hear Shampoo also staves off Sharks, so buying them in a set will likely not only make you a better fighter, but also a superior diver!
Hey Chris I've noticed that too, in my Aikido days my brother in law started Aikido who was an athelete and competed in Cross Country Cycling events and was darn fit !!!
But when we were doing some sessions where theres plenty of breakfalls envolved, say Kaiten Nage (rotary) throws for example and he'd be more out of breath than me, but I knew he was far fitter than me.
As a by the way I know that Wudang (Dan Docherty) students use breakfalls as a conditioning routine, after 50 rolls with no break you'd be suprised at how "out" of breath you get. I also think that breakfalls sort off condition your overall get up and go, and act as a kinda nei gong training for taking a strike, allbeit a very subtle one at that.
But your right, it's amusing when you get atheletes who come to Aikido and have no breakfall experience and you see em getting out of breath after taking a few throws, funny how that one works. But eventually you condition to that and don't get out of breath (so much!).
"My guess is cardio is kind of task specific, any ideas?"
I do not think it is a matter of cardio fitness being task specific, but rather that you are more or less efficient at specific tasks. Your heart and lungs are always working with the same strength, but someone that has been doing breakfalls for 30 years uses a lot less energy then someone trying to learn breakfalls for the first time.
It is the same principle with strength training. If someone starts lifting weights for the first time they will see a large jump in their strength in the first two months. This is not because their muslces are groing at a superhuman rate, but rather that their bodies have simply learned to perform the actual movements more efficiently.
I read about a test where they took 2 groups of sedentary people and put them on a cardio routine, one on a stationary bike and the other on a treadmill, I believe. At the end of 2 months, they had both improved their cardio by almost 70 percent. When each group were retested on the other group's activity however, they were almost as bad as when they had started.
In Ninpo, we graduated to harder surfaces to practice ukemi. It was to improve technique, but there was a body-hardening aspect to it also, it seems. I stopped Ninpo before I reached terazzo, though.
Kenneth, that's an interesting study, do you have any Idea where it came from?
Richard, being more efficient with your energy on some things was my original thought too. I do think it has something to do with it. But it still doesn't explain why my fatigue level would be different for two different things I'm experienced with.
The actual situation in which the activity occurs needs to be taken into account. Add fear and adrenaline to an activity and fatigue will set in much faster than the same activity without fear and adrenaline.
If you are in good enough shape to jog all day it won't be as hard as running for 1 minute from a guy who is intent on stabbing you with a knife.
that's exactly why I put my students through what I put them through. I'm a firm believer in pumping adrenaline through them while they practice. I'll often "go ballistic" on them- and have them convinced they're going to be stabbed or beaten to death.
The Retirement Center president never seems to undertand things like we IMA teachers do.
Chris, the study I'm talking about is mentioned in Fit-for-Life's book on aerobic conditioning. That's the same company that came out with the "syner-abs" program that you used to see advertised in the magazines a lot.
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I too have heard about the study that Kenneth Sohl is talking about.
Running keeps you in shape for running. Free style sessions with a blade and two attackers keeps you in shape for a blade and two attackers.
Basketball keeps you in shape for basketball and cross training keeps you in shape for cross training.
It is always best to train specifically for what your doing.
One activity that seems to be great across the board for any martial artist is heavy bag and speed bag training.
Another is simply hitting the ground on the belly or the back and getting back up and doing this over and over and over and over again.
I also utilize the hacky sack for foot eye cooridination and juggling for hand eye conditioning/cooridination.
Its okay to laugh-everyone else does.
O did I mention I use 10 pounds of wrap weights on each limb(40 pounds total) to do the hand/foot juggling?
Hope this helps.
If that were true, I could masterbate for hours.
Yet, despite all my practice and persistence the task is over in an instant.
Sounds like you need some more practice!
keep your hands to yourself little man.
Not a problem Bob#2
A few more Ninjutsu / Budo Taijutsu clips.
Mind Body & Kickass Moves - Ninjutsu
Mind Body & Kickass Moves - Ninjutsu, Pt.2: Training Methods
Hatsumi sensei seminar clip
The place I use to train systema in England had quite a few Hatsumi Taijutsu intructors in the classes - I use to wonder why there were so many of them in class, but after watching the Hatsumi seminar clip it kind of makes sense whey they gravitated towards Systema.